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Pavel @spavel.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

I keep catching strays from "technology is neutral" people, so let's set things straight. 1) Technology is not neutral, especially the subset of technology called "algorithms" 2) The form-factor that makes a technology into a tool is not neutral 3) How tools are productized is not neutral [rant]

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fully automated robot orgy @blackwire.work · 30/04/2025

Good and moral uses of technology are never as profitable in the short term than manipulation and exploitation unfortunately

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Chazzz @chazebration.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

I think it all stems from cyber-libertarianism, the view that people and governments are the problem. If we “free” technology from these constraints it will be a net positive, but it doesn’t take into account the systems and society it exists within.

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The Store @mudsludge.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

"technology is neutral" Me: glances over at the nuclear explosion .... Yeah sure

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Ivan Čurić @ivancuric.npmx.social · 29/04/2025

It's the Nuremberg defense. "I just build the gas chambers. I don't care what you do with them"

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MCMLXI @mcmlxi.org · 29/04/2025

Concur on point 3, but the rest sounds like the "Guns don't kill people" diatribe. At least until the AI overlords take over, tech 𝙞𝙨 just a tool, under the control of humans. And that takeover would be ultimately human caused. It's those folks wielding it against others we need to reign in.

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JesstheWanderer @jessthewanderer.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

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yonderstan-emigre.bsky.social @yonderstan-emigre.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Science and technology are capitalism's handmaidens. Their job is to increase the efficiency of production and military power.

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👻ZH00000GE LIANG 臥龍 / 伏龍 👻 @shuchancellor.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

OOOOO PAVEL RANT LETS GO

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Gianluca Brugnoli @low-resolution.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Digital technology is not neutral. It’s fundamentally redefining organisations, structures, how things are connected and how they work together. It removes layers, intermediaries and friction. This is the profound disruptive effect of digital, which is now extending to society and democracy.

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Carl Bateman @carlbateman.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Guns are technology. Guns kill things. That's their only function. Most guns kill people. So, yes, hardly neutral.

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perceivabelle (pls don’t) @perceivabelle.bsky.social · 09/03/2026

Is „Code is law“ the same as one of these statements?

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Isaak // Multiverse Rift Music @multiverserift.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

"technology is neutral" people obviously didn't grow up being left-handed.

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Ma-at @ma-at.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Anyone who thinks technology is neutral hasn’t tried to use most things as a disabled person. Hell even non-computer tech is made with male right handed people of average height and weight and no intellectual/physical disabilities as the ideal user.

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Liz Schiller #DefundthePolice @lizzzs.bsky.social · 30/04/2025

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sovereignhuman.bsky.social @sovereignhuman.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

It’s the humans. It’s the humans, the men, mostly, every time.

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Luis Villa @lu.is · 29/04/2025

I feel like you could do “1 like = 1 way tech is not neutral” and be… just fine

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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social · 30/04/2025

"The purpose of something is what it does" is a phrase I hear a lot in regards to this.

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JL Mythos @jlmythos.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

All science and technology is neutral. Physics didn't kill you because you fell off a building. You killed yourself because you jumped. Just as your iPhone didnt rat on your search history, the chucklefucks who wanted that data MADE it do it. Science is science. It cares not for politics or religion

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Mike Holderness @holdernesseu.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Given the rest of the bros’ espoused beliefs, I find it ironic that the first people I came across vehemently arguing that "technology is neutral" were certain Marxists, back in the 1970s, desperately trying to paper over cracks in Engels’ labour theory of value.

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yambi - wishlist You Belong in the Stars on steam @yambidev.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Technology is a tool. But it's not neccesarly your tool

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Pavel @spavel.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Let's start with "technology is neutral" as a phrase. This is just a deflection. Oh, your iPhone is a technology, your toilet is a technology. It's just *stuff.* This is a fundamental (often willful) misunderstanding of how systems work in society (not surprising from STEM types).

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Mew @humeancondition.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Alito logic: not even once.

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Iykyk @lipstickscribbles.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

I think often they just want to avoid saying tech is amoral, which imo is accurate, but also completely undercuts their corollary claim that working on tech is a moral pursuit in and of itself.

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Oh? So what? @ohsowhat.com · 30/04/2025

Thank you for ranting about this essential topic!

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Sean Eric Fagan @kithrup.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

How is quicksort not neutral?

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Sherman Dorn @shermandorn.com · 29/04/2025

Kranzberg's "Six Laws" address still lives!

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The Six Laws of Technology Everyone Should Know

Three decades ago, a tech historian, Melvin Kranzberg, explained society’s unease with technology in six laws we all need to understand in the era of Facebook, Google and the iPhone.

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@imagespending.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

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Del Winters @del.winters.rodeo · 29/04/2025

yep, I was thinking similarly a few days ago

Del Winters@del.winters.rodeo

If the hammer companies, hammer investors, and politicians bought with hammer money all advocated for hammers as a great way to bash your neighbors face in, I would be against hammers as a tool too. You can’t analyze a tool separately from the intentions of the tool’s producers.

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Tobias Wilson-Bates @phdhurtbrain.bsky.social · 09/03/2026

Let’em know!!

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Atleast I’m Enjoying The Ride @guyforgetghost.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Also—PEOPLE STILL HAVE 2 PROGRAM THESE ALGORITHMS & therein lies problem. It doesn’t even have to be a nefarious person w/ bad intentions—it’s about what humans cannot possibly anticipate in future that will leave gap in programming that 2 an autonomous AI might be what causes an unnecessary death

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Frank Grove @fragro.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

No one claims that capitalist products or intentionally designed racist systems are "neutral". The fact that technology could be used to build both an anti-racist or racist chat bot actually proves that yes, the underlying tech is unbiased. Humans introduce bias into those datasets.

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Sister @sisterasterias.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

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Paul Bittlestone @paulbittlestone.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

I have a phrase in regards to this. I call it "deferred responsibility". Usually when political and business leaders want to use a software product etc to hide behind terrible and immoral decisions. Such as cutting medical and welfare treatments. It's basically how investment and speculators work..

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Matthew Carlson @dreamjar.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

And unless we purposely bias tech for good it will be subverted, co-opted or overwhelmed by people who want to use it for the worst possible things (ex Facebook, ex Twitter person here). There is no such thing as a neutral platform and you can’t abdicate responsibility for what flows through it.

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Sluggish Cheetah @sluggishcheetah.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

It’s still what we choose to do with it. If we lived in a moneyless society, things would be very different. We don’t have to live with the society we do, we choose to not change. Obviously that would be very, very difficult, but don’t separate the system from our choices.

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John dimatos @dimatosj.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Algorithms are just part of the meritocracy /s

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In The Mark of Madness @markpaglia.bsky.social · 30/04/2025

As ever, Marshall McLuhan was correct that the medium is message, not some neutral carrier.

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halfagainasmuch.bsky.social @halfagainasmuch.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

I wish I could add an infinite number of likes to this thread, pin this post to the top of every feed forever, and put it on billboards in every city.

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meatloaf social @beartape.bsky.social · 30/04/2025

tech attracts money and does what will attract money. if that’s burning out the eyes of every puppy, there will be a puppyeyeburnr.com in no time

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Jeninoveralls @jeninoveralls.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

Technology is not neutral, because what the humans choose to hydrate the technology with (in the case of AI) or the way they choose to leverage it, or the people they choose to give access to it, are not neutral. However, technology can be transparent, and we need more of them to be so.

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tmacpaddywhack.bsky.social @tmacpaddywhack.bsky.social · 30/04/2025

As always it us critical to see who technology does FOR and who technology does TO.

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perfectdrift.bsky.social @perfectdrift.bsky.social · 29/04/2025

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Andy Barnett @hof1991.bsky.social · 30/04/2025

Algorithms. Weapons of math destruction. app.thestorygraph.com/books/70e6a5...

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Weapons of Math Destruction by Cathy O'Neil

A former Wall Street quant sounds an alarm on the mathematical models that pervade modern life an...

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Dr Keith 🎃 Wilson @keithwilson.eu · 29/04/2025

Technology isn’t ethically neutral for all the reasons you say. But it’s not true that AIs kill people, whereas humans do kill people (including by using AI). The lack of ethical neutrality doesn’t entail moral responsibility, since that requires a capacity for action.

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