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Peter Sagal @petersagal.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I’m not going to argue with people, but it does seem that some of you believe that good journalists write hard hitting stories which then go to mealy-mouthed collaborationist editors who write sanewashing headlines but somehow forget to edit the good stuff out of the stories.

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Peter Sagal @petersagal.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

One reason I am so adamant in my defense of journalists and editors is I know a lot of journalists and editors. You should meet some, if you haven’t.

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Victor @victor128.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

You people are utterly useless stenographs. I hate Trump with passion but he is right to humiliate you the way he does because you people have no dignity or responsibility for the constitution and the people whom you supposed to inform. Just fucking weasels.

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Michael Witthaus @lyricstoliveby.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

You and your cabal of access whores are getting exactly the ratio deserved for this milquetoast, too little too late defense of the indefensible.

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srbratton.bsky.social @srbratton.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

That’s nice, but those people should do their damn jobs.

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dollyllama @dollyllama.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Nice people can produce shitty work. Just an FYI. You should see the damage bad journalism does to people you don't know.

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Tom Carter @thcarter123.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I met some. medium.com/p/8c3ab0dcea5e

medium.com

A decade of failing to persuade the New York Times to pay attention to Leonard Leo

By Tom Carter

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Dr. E. Hughes Shanks @ehughesshanks.bsky.social · 24/02/2025

Thankfully, I can see past the headlines (which in apps are literally bait) and I crave real journalism.

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Potomac Ripper Inclusive @potomacripper.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

You know what we call journalists and editors who defend these Nazi coup leaders and don’t call it what it out? Nazis? You know what we call people who won’t call out their Nazi journalist and editor friends? Nazis You are picking a side because they are your friends? Well that’s a choice.

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Mapaiko @mapaiko.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Not a great argument.

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Mi nombre es Teo @toddkbailey.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I know a lot of them. Did the work for years. But really that’s irrelevant. My personal feelings about them as people don’t alter my view of their work. But it sure seems like you judge them based on how you feel about them which is super.

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Ash McGonigal @ashmcgonigal.com · 23/02/2025

The reason I'm so harsh on NYT/WaPo/NPR politics propagandists is that I know a lot of good journalists and they're as horrified as I am.

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AmGigOhm @americangigaohm.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

It’s kind of like what they say about if there are 99 good cops and 1 bad cop- if the 99 do nothing about the 1, then you have 100 bad cops.

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Chuck Smash @chucksm4sh.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

“I roomed with them at Harvard”

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Mike Snow @lakeeffectsnow.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Well, hmmm, this is kind of the problem - there's so few of them working now, there's a near zero percent chance I personally ever will ever meet one in real life unless I start stalking.

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ErinFromTheOffice @erinfromtheoffice.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Why have I never seen you defend the hundreds of Palestinian journalists Israel has systematically killed?

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🍉 One-Eyed Wildcat @radicallynx.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

You can understand that the good people you know are subject to pressures that make them do bad/harmful things in their jobs, and still criticize those bad things they're doing. "I know them, though!" Isn't the defense you think it is.

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張永 @sea-monkey.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I used to be one. You suck and so does your desperately unfunny show

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rocinatereturns.bsky.social @rocinatereturns.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

That means you are ok legitimizing evil. Great defense

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p-kai.bsky.social @p-kai.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

NPR is one of the worst offenders when it comes to putting out bad political journalism.

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tabgirl @tabgirl.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

This isn’t a flex. “I can’t criticize people I’ve met.”

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Humperbert Engeldinck @rectagram.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

The industry as a whole brought us here. There are individual exceptions/examples of great work along the way, but legacy media failed horrifically at the most critical juncture. There’s been no recognition of this by them or any attempt to fix it for the future. So fuck em.

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Ryan Cordell @laststarfighter.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Have you considered you are just as bad as they are?

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Jimmy G @leontrout.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Compared to 5 years ago, is the industry (especially the editor class) in a stronger or weaker position to critically and realistically meet this moment?

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A TinyFavor.. PleaseCheckMyPage🙏 @muad-lib.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

We won't report them as saying a lie, because we don't know what's in their heart and mind at the time. No, you only need to report on what's coming out of their mouths.

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Shirley0401 @shirley0401.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

"They're my friends" is a pretty weak argument, and I think it undermines your larger point. Good work is being done, but when the prioritization of "balance" and "neutrality" leads to false equivocation as the norm, it's natural for people to lose faith in these publications.

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Lich-Lord Heppner 👻 @rlheppner.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I’m sympathetic to your defense. And I do think the blanket criticism of journalists and editors can go too far. But I-know-them-personally isn’t a great argument.

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Stretchdad vs the Dicktocracy @stretchdad.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Sample of one (i.e., me): Despite dumping my NYT and WaPo subscriptions, I continue to financially support journalism. I just spend my dollars on outlets that don't seem ethically compromised.

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sidc2024.bsky.social @sidc2024.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/...

wbur.org

No Time To Be Nice: Now Is Not The Moment To Remain Silent

Naomi Shulman makes the post-election case for speaking out.

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Rich Gardner @rlgardner190.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

That's an EXTREMELY weak defense! Sit down, dude!

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pre3chorded.bsky.social @pre3chorded.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Do you know why Washington Post and New York Times only take quotes from white Republican men? Is it Executive Order? bsky.app/profile/mile...

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pre3chorded.bsky.social @pre3chorded.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Do you know the editors and journalists at the NYT that tried to pass off a statement by the head of Houston Young Republicans as by a generic Everyman, then secretly edited article when they got caught on the fraud, no editors note?

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Braam @tommycanyouhealme.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Yikes that’s some shit

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FaustMN @faustmn.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Weak

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OhhJim @ohhjim.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Some Nazis were/are nice to their dogs.

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EssayWells @essaywells.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

"My friends can't be doing a bad thing because they're my friends" is an argument a toddler would make.

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Daisy Gardner @daisygardner.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I deeply appreciate journalists who are doing the work. Slightly different issue: I’m wondering how we can get their work in front of an American public that has moved over to social media to mainline current events. Smart careful reporting is getting lost in a maelstrom of propaganda.

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Kristina @solakri.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

When my friends are being shitty I tell them, because that’s what real friends do. These aren’t your real friends they’re your little friends. Didn’t your mother warn you about blindly following those types of « friends » while they’re acting stupid?

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halcorley.bsky.social @halcorley.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

We critique not their noble intentions but craven new practices and accommodation: the daily search through the traditional political lexicon to describe unprecedented horrors is palpable. A fear of being biased or merely hyperbolic has created anodyne characterizations of historic upheaval.

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Just Another Weather Nerd @cyclogenesis.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

How's the vacation going Peter :)

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Robert Cruickshank @robertcruickshank.com · 23/02/2025

A big part of the problem is that journalism does not appear to be policing itself. We receive these kind of exhortations to defend and support journalism. Yet we also saw journalists mislead about Trump in systematic ways, especially in 2024. I haven’t yet seen reflection or accountability on this.

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Thomas Janecek @twocatfarm1.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

Well, Peter, I’ve read a lot from corporate journalists & have seen the editing, headline writing, & topic selection by many corporate editors. By and large, both have little historical knowledge, both-sides to a ridiculous degree, & have very little experience on how to follow up on blatant lies.

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too many podcasters @zaddylonglegs.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

weird post

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V for Vampire! Blah! BLAH! 🇬🇱🇨🇦🇵🇷🇲🇽🇵🇦 @vacca.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I *am* an editor, though not from the journalistic world, and the NYT and WaPo routinely publish material I would red-pencil into oblivion. (I find their heavy but selective use of passive voice particularly galling, as it is clearly deployed to protect favored entities from consequences.)

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Art Martin @gartmartin9.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

thanks for your contempt for your customers (listeners/readers). we are not morons. journalism. not that complicated. NYT et al are failing the moment. how about some self reflection? please defend this NYT story normalizing Trump seeking reparations from the victim? www.nytimes.com/2025/02/22/w...

nytimes.com

U.S. Pressing Tough Demands in Revised Deal for Ukraine’s Minerals

The Trump administration wants revenues from Ukraine’s natural resources, according to a draft obtained by The New York Times, with no security guarantee in exchange.

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cowboyinbrla.bsky.social @cowboyinbrla.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

All true, and yet, those headlines still keep making it out there - how? Someone is making the decision to slap misleading headlines on these stories, undoubtedly also knowing that many "ordinary" people skim the headlines and will never reach the meat of the story.

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Mannwich @mannwich.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

So if they do a shitty job, nobody can criticize them? That’s life in the fast lane. Be a real journalist and this won’t happen. All we ask.

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Micheline Maynard @mickimaynard.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

The NYT, where I used to work and still contribute, laid off 100 copy editors a few years ago. The enterprise has not been the same since. Copy editors would push back against editors. They would make us fact check. We were on our toes. The public doesn’t know this but anyone who worked there does.

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Joshua Engel, Esq. @joshuaaengel.com · 23/02/2025

I work with many journalists in my legal job, and two seemingly contradictory things are true: 1) they are willing to openly acknowledge errors in reporting; 2) they rarely engage in self-analysis about why errors were made or take steps to assure that the errors don’t repeat

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Alexis @alexis8.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I know the best former editors. They are right here on Bluesky. They are not afraid to criticize journalism malpractice. Those at @nytimes.com and @washingtonpost.com got us here!

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calizaybak.bsky.social @calizaybak.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

lol

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Paul Czarnecki @peczar.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

And you get to yuck it up for money every week while we deal with fascism. Spare me.

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Pjeanne97 @pjeanne97.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I have. I have been one. There are many good ones. There are also many willing to repeat lies without calling them out and to frame stories in a way that doesn’t communicate the reality of what Trump’s going.

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Travis McGee @procrastin.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

You should be gifting these pieces, most of the readers who you need to reach have dropped subscriptions. BTW, headlines are powerful and until the NYT editors stop sanewashing the pieces with the headline we won't be back.

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Ed Lyons @mysteriousrook.com · 23/02/2025

Amen to all that.

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So it goes @jimbolint.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I'm glad you have friends Peter. I have friends who are conservative Republicans, I criticize them and I'll criticize your friends when they deserve it.

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Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) @antonpnym.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

One reason I am so adamant in my rejection of your defense is that IMO a large part of the decline of journalism today results from journalists not calling out bad journalism. Democracy is dying of excessive professional courtesy.

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Colin King @colinhking.bsky.social · 23/02/2025

I find journalists are making adequate efforts of their own to protect their jobs, widen impacts be damned. No need for me to hold my nose and support their corrupt owners who are working against MY best interest.

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