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Chatham Harrison dba TRUMP DELENDUS EST @chathamharrison.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Always fun seeing anarchists & libertarians reinvent government from first principles

onealmp.bsky.social @onealmp.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

What if government, but for profit? Unregulated insurance for all of your life isn’t the Ayn Randian paradise these fools daydream it is.

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Sam Ulmschneider @samulmschneider.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

what's really funny to me is that Robert Nozick DID THIS almost fifty years ago now, and did it better. I'm no Nozick fan but at least he had a clearer set of reasoned principles than this about the origins of a minimal social contractarian state.

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SwiftDefeat @swiftdefeat.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Libertarianism makes a lot more sense when you realize that it's a religion, with The Market as its god. Their inability to recognize their god as a real bastard stems from the fact that they believe themselves to be its chosen people.

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PigeonPancake @pigeonpancake.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

This looks like ancap nonsense.

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pythiaofnox.bsky.social @pythiaofnox.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Lmao… omg. How about, Marie’s is assaulted and dismembered by ADT employee who’s actually a predator positioned to hunt till he’s full? Oh umm has that ever happened? Sorry, I know this is far afield of the original point. But, can’t resist.

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The Unquiet Ghost of Andrew S. @shoutingboy.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

In this case it’s more like they invented the Mafia from first principles.

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edholden.bsky.social @edholden.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

FWIW, if you're on that bird site it's worth looking through the comments on that dumb post. Armies of sane people drop in to tell him he's an idiot in a dozen different dimensions, but he doesn't back down: he posted this image 100% unironically.

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Blitzy 🩺 ⚡️🏁 @blitz-y.bsky.social · 14/02/2024

But what if Marie doesn’t want Walter’s collection of LED butt plugs?

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Nathan St. Pierre @nathanstpierre.com · 13/02/2024

My brother explained a libertarian utopia once and showed how almost every company that replaced government would be a form of insurance. I said "you like dealing with insurance companies that much?" He stopped talking to me about it after that.

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ArchangelZeriel @archangelzeriel.bsky.social · 14/02/2024

The only libertarian author I've ever respected was a friend of a friend who wrote what started out as a "libertarian sci-fi novel" about a guy who kept founding libertarian colonies, but EVERY time he did it, eventually the largest "private security" company just declared itself the goverment.

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Matt Waters @mwwaters.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Wait, this was a serious thing posted?

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shirleydunk.bsky.social @shirleydunk.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

The difference is that people who can't afford to pay for protection get no rights at all, and can have "acts of aggression" inflicted on them with impunity. For the people who advocate for this system, this not a bug, but a feature.

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⛄️ ❄️ hibernating beaver stan acct ❄️ ⛄️ @beaverstanacct.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

I seem to remember seeing some tech bros coming up with an app to allow people in a community to pool their money and buy large things for common use like bros invented taxes.

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AtomicPwrdRobot @atomicpwrdrobot.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Trying to imagine how having dozens of competing private security companies acting individually as three separate arms of the criminal justice system (police/courts/corrections) is supposed to be more desirable than the current one, or a line of business these companies would even want to pursue.

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Marvelous Chester @aldrinbester.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

I love the train of thought where a robbery could cause a war between rival firms. Sounds like a stable environment for capitalism to flourish.

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Nia @mustelocentrism.london · 13/02/2024

This just means the poor can be constantly harassed by private security without any recompense lmao holy shit. I've found it, a leftist argument for state police forces; a tax driven popice force at least theoretically prevents wealthy on poor crime.

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Jeffrey Nonken @jnork.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

This sort of viewpoint starts with the assumption that everybody is civil, rational, sane, intelligent, and engaging in enlightened self-interest. Heinlein, bless his soul, came up with the ideas of the Fair Witness and "An armed society is a polite society." Entertaining, but doesn't work in RL.

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Jeffrey Nonken @jnork.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Walter robs Marie. He finds Marie and shoots her in panic. No report is filed until Marie's brother Bob checks on her two weeks later. ADT responds that it's not their problem because she's no longer a customer, keeps Marie's payments, and walks away laughing.

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Jeffrey Nonken @jnork.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Marie calls ADT to report a robbery in progress while she's hiding. ADT replies, "let us know when he's gone and record all stolen items so we can investigate." Marie does so. Walter is too clever for the cameras so is not identified. ADT charges Marie for the investigation. Marie has no recourse.

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Gluten-free Seitan @davidjohansen.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

In this case they're reinventing 90s Russian government by rival mafias. Or maybe medieval vassal-liege stuff.

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kylie4Bob @kayfourbee.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-...

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Cure Space Marine @netbrian.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Great time to bring up this classic blog post.

examinedlife.typepad.com

If Wishes Were Horses, Beggars Would Ride -- A Pony!

I think Matthew Yglesias' response to Josh Chafetz' exercise in wishful thinking was about right, even if Brad DeLong's is more nuanced. I'd like to note, though, that Chafetz is selling himself short...

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Daniel Read @danielread.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

I think Thomas Hobbes wrote something about this.

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Kevin Carson 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🏴󠁭󠁸󠁣󠁨󠁰󠁿 @kevincarson1.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Well, ancaps really aren't anarchists of any kind

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illimij @illimij.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

And then a multi-billionaire buys all three private companies and tells them they can appeal to Catturd2.

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Michaeleville @michaeleville.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Funny thing is when I saw the words Young Capitalist the first thing I thought of was another fascist republican again saying that they are above everyday Americans petty laws.

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Avram Grumer @avramg.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Walter robs Marie. Marie contacts her protection company, which tells her that she has not met her property-crime deductible for that calendar year, so she’s out-of-pocket for protection and arbitration services.

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Chad Farrenburg @chadfarrenburg.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Libertarians are either man children who will never grow up or so convinced of their own superiority that a world without rules would be to their benefit. Well both, probably. Wait, I just described Donald Trump.

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eps @epsiloneridani.io · 14/02/2024

Literally Snow Crash.

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oh shoot it’s sauce @yucateco.sextape.mov · 13/02/2024

don’t lump anarchists into this ffs

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Viktor @tautadiction.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

I mean this is some kind of Weber/Nozick mashup isn’t it? I do wish they’d try to engage with the pre-existing debate instead of just galaxy-braining it.

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SparkleGrammy @sparklegrammy.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

Sounds like a costly legal nightmare. Not much different than what we have with government.

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🇨🇦 I believe that with each other, we are stronger than we know 🍁 @nimelennar.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

It reminds me of how crypto bros tout the benefits of an unregulated currency/security, and then run headlong into scams and theft and manipulation and find out, over and over, "Oh, that's why that regulation exists!"

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Damnyoureyes @camyoureyes.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

This is pure bootlicking chud bullshit, leave the anarchists out of this one.

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Follow the Minnesota 1st @smullins3000.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

And get it wrong the first hundred times.

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corpsepaint boothoughts @allwrongthink.bsky.social · 13/02/2024

their ideas don't scale imo, but I'd take anarchists over libertarians any day of the week. at least they know the value of collective action and solidarity.

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