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George Monbiot @georgemonbiot.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Name a protest movement, anywhere or at any time, that has achieved its goals without being annoying and obstructive. People like this enjoy the freedoms our political ancestors gained for them, while attacking the means by which they were achieved.

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Patrick Barlow @patrick-barlow.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

A very lovely 75 year old terrorist was generous with his time yesterday evening, here in the shire, addressing that very issue.

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Mike Bailey @linusd.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

The success of protest and demonstrations depends on attracting supporters to the cause. It is the scale of support that brings issues to the top of the agenda and forces change. Whether a demo is welcome collectivism or obstructive or annoying is a matter of perception.

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The Mental Elves @thementalelves.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Ah yes, the infamous ladder puller uppers. They climbed the ladder and then used the power they've gained to remove it for others. Many examples in UK and US political class. I often wonder what they so despise about themselves to do that. How much self hatred they have.

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Mrs. G @janbellina.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth (if that's alright with the rest of you). Matthew 5:5 and Ashleigh Brilliant.

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Jason Gorman @jasongorman.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

media.tenor.com

a man holds a sign that says careful now

ALT: a man holds a sign that says careful now

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Rob Dyson ✍️ 📼 🎧 @robdysonpr.uk · 15/10/2025

I've been doing some work with The WI, who over the years - and to this day - have been proud to be "annoying", because you can't achieve equality or action on civil issues with a 'strongly worded letter to The Telegraph', lol. The centrists would have us signing a petition outside Waitrose, only.

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Haven Tenerife @janetanscombe.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

This is pure sophistry. Yes, "they dont tell the local member to deal with the issues raised by the protesters, they tell them to deal with the protesters". And the corollary, if the only way to deal with the protestors is to deal with what they're protesting about, is that the problem is solved.

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anlomedad @anlomedad.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

It just takes a very long time. But it works. Eventually. That's why JustStopOil, ExtinctionRebellion LastGeneration were so important. Yes, anger about them was very important. One day, we might celebrate @rogerhallam.com 's birthday as global holiday and the Pope makes him a saint. Should, today.

anlomedad@anlomedad.bsky.social

It's a process. Ofc people get annoyed. At first. A new corner in their mind gets reserved for the protest topic. They form an opinion about it, any opinion, doesn't matter. Over time new information anchors in the new corner. Opinion changes with new facts. Culture changes. Mission accomplished.🖖

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Robin Whitlock @robinwhitlock66.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

When me and George and many others were trying to stop the road carving off the lower slopes of Solsbury Hill in Bath back in 1994, we were annoying and obstructive to the road builders. When I was a hunt saboteur in the early 90s, I was annoying and obstructive to hunters. Just saying.

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John Kellden @johnkellden.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Ten times as annoying and obstructive is the proper amount, given the current Grifter-In-Chief zeitgeist, with emboldened useful idiots, sycophants and mini-grifters mushrooming all over, enabled by both charming ICE thugs and clueless Tone Police Officers.

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Chris The Gardener @nkdgardener.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

I fought for queer rights in the 80s We were sooooooo annoying, loud... and proud The minority hated us.. most people listened ** a multi pronged attack is also needed, the politics, the education, the empathy.. all working together We won

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Grumpy Philosopher @stevecooke.org · 15/10/2025

They want silent non-obstructive protest, preferably carried out at home so nobody has to notice it. In other words, they want an end to all forms of protest.* * although, a shiny pound says they have a different view on protests for causes they support.

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Jonathan Roberts @jonroberts.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

That polite protest in full: Would you mind changing please? No Ok then. ...

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Overshot the Carrying Capacity @overshot.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

The "Oligarchs Against Tax" movement?

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johnw60.bsky.social @johnw60.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Persistence is surely a prerequisite for successful protest. Otherwise it’s just tokenism.

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TimB33 #noKings @timb33.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

I hear you. We got Jimmy Kimmel back though, and all we had to do was cancel Disney. I'm pretty sure the Montgomery bus boycott wasn't annoying, just costly.

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LeedsBookClub aka Drneevil @leedsbookclub.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

The ‘your protest isn’t civilised/polite’ argument is designed by those who like the status quo to maintain it. Only oppressors think the oppressed must follow their civility rules. Certainly they are quite capable of acting ‘rudely’ to get their own way with no thought of manners

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Maria Farrell @mariafarrell.eurosky.social · 15/10/2025

James C. Scott's Two Cheers for Anarchy is good on how truly disruptive left-protest movements are enveloped and smothered by acceptable left institutions. Labour now goes beyond this, cutting off protest altogether, and with it its own ideas + people pipleline and relevance.

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Richard Francis @linguafrancis.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

The suffragettes went on a two year bombing campaign that killed four people.

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Fran Yule @fjyule.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

While I generally agree with the Marxist approach, there have been successful annoying and obstructive protests. The anti-apartheid and Vietnam protests were highly successful to name two.

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Andyinafield @andyinafield.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

"Mustn't grumble."

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cancelled-by-elon.bsky.social @cancelled-by-elon.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

There's ZERO material point to authorised protests since they get ZERO coverage on the BBC or corporate media (unless it's a far-right protest aligned with editors and presenters low-tax, deregulatory beliefs)

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gmokery @gmokery.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

"I agree that we need drastic changes but do you have to be so impolite & inconvenient?"

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S'Pammy Cassandra 🦩💥 @nafoffs.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

When does protest become harassment? When did it become intimidation? I guess this is the question. Elections are a non obstructive method of achieving goals. Why choose to protest over vote? Genuinely interested in the answer rather than polemics here.

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Chris Clarke @lthrn.com · 15/10/2025

It takes 5 minutes to Google the suffragettes and find out how it led to women's right to vote. And they think just stop oil is bad? In fact... I'll save them 5 mins. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrag...

en.wikipedia.org

Suffragette bombing and arson campaign - Wikipedia

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The Failed Anarchist Revival @failedanarchist.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

there are some which are more theatrical, such as the 'Contraceptive Train' which brought condoms to the Republic of Ireland, but you're right - any rights we've gained haven't been 'granted' by benevolent patricians - they've been taken by "annoying people" obstructing the normal state of affairs

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Stephen Barlow @steb77.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

It's funny when people parrot oligarch disinformation as if it's their own personal wisdom.

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Myles Stevens @everytimereferee.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

This is a statement made from someone who has never had to fight for anything. Never faced unfairness and injustice. A cosseted, privileged prat without an ounce of human empathy. Someone with these views is born from the parents of brainwashing media and state.

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Ellis Beck @ellisb77.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

I think targeting militancy on responsible parties rather than trying to intimidate or aggravate the general population into agreement with, or appeasement of you, has more integrity.

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Dave Probert 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🐸 @yesfan1.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Not sure how Jack knows he speaks for the general population - whatever that is?

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carlostheghost.bsky.social @carlostheghost.bsky.social · 16/10/2025

Some people are so proud to be totally clueless

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Martyn Brunt @skybluebrunty.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

"Look, we all respect the right to protest, but you need to do it in a much more easily ignored and minimally effective way."

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Glencora @glencora.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

There’s gotta be strategy though- and that’s what is lacking in a lot of movements relative to, for example, the 100+ years long Civil Rights movement. “Being annoying” isn’t enough nor is the most effective.

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Jennie Kermode @jenniekermode.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Every successful protest movement has some people being annoying and obstructive and some being patient negotiators focused on winning hearts and minds. And every such movement has to put up with tedious people insisting that each of these strategies is unconscionable. The magic is in the mixture.

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Andrew Thomson @quantinghome.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Protests need to make sure they're annoying the right people. You want an example? The Salt March didn't stop Indians from going about their day, but it really annoyed the viceroy. If you start annoying the general public you're doing something wrong. They're the people you need to bring with you.

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JR @jrh43.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Name a protest movement that succeeded by alienating the people whose minds they were trying to change. The environmental movement needs more people on its side in order to make things change. You don't win people over by making their lives more difficult. Target polluters, not the public.

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Loki van Lodenaken @lokivanlodenaken.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Thank you George This goes for Belgium too Unfortunately the far right @de-nva.bsky.social is not really present here to hear it, and sure not that Francken of Defense, our Hegseth

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Andrew Crompton @andrewcrompton.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

And at a time when our politicians and media have been so comprehensively bought by a small cabal of far right oligarchs, and protest (along with the ECHR) becomes even more essential.

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ignore me @ibjoshua.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

Struggling to imagine anyone actually bothering to contact their MP to complain about protestors

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Climate News @climatenews.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

He has some big name followers - perhaps an alt account?

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Ibárruri lives... @ibarrurilives.bsky.social · 15/10/2025

I was told many years ago, by a man whom I admired immensely... "You will get nowhere by being reasonable, be bloody unreasonable"...

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