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Advances in Geochemistry and Cosmochemistry @weareagc.bsky.social · 02/12/2024

We are opening submissions on the 20th of January 🌋 Do you have research you would like to submit and be part of the very first issue of AGC? Help us gauge the volume of anticipated submissions filling in the form you find below. Publish diamond, publish in AGC!

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Olivier Namur @oliviernamur.bsky.social · 03/12/2024

Happy to share that Leuven was selected as host for the BepiColombo Mercury2026 conference! Looking forward to organizing it! @BepiColombo @KU_Leuven @leuvenresearch #Mercury

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/12/2024

Probably should have put the hammers on this one if I wanted a discussion hey 😅😜 ⚒️

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EAG @eageo.bsky.social · 03/12/2024

Job alert: lecturer in Geoscience, James Cook University (AU). Apply by 13 January. More info: www.eag.org/jobs/

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/12/2024

@eurogeosciences.bsky.social did the same and its kinda sad. They announced their awards on twitter but not here... Maybe next year I guess.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/12/2024

100% and I think this is something that needs to be overcome. Filtering and correcting some geochemical data then calling it software or a revolutionary database when similar things already exist, is not cutting it. Especially when there is no new science in the paper.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 02/12/2024

The other point I would make is that the variability of funding systems means it's not always that clear what is done on a teaching fellowship or as part of the PhD. In Australia, it is a one-size fits all scholarship. In parts of the EU a PhD is a well paid job. That changes the perception a lot!

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 02/12/2024

The issues I am more concerned with is true 'copying' or near copying. Also the examples of spreadsheets being promoted as software or data compilations (which more or less exist already) being published solely as papers with no scientific justification. Those are where I see the biggest harm/ waste

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 02/12/2024

I think overall I agree with what you're saying and the 'case-by-case' approach to these things. I think Paleo does this better than most of the Earth Sciences. I have no problem with incremental software/ packages in R/Python etc. Petrology/ geochem are less good at this, but getting better!

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 02/12/2024

Outside of Australia I am not sure how widely known that Australian Earth Science is in trouble. @sabinzahirovic.bsky.social lays out the issues + impacts in this interview. Strongly recommend everyone give this a listen and get involved in promoting the crucial role of Earth Sciences in society. ⚒️

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 29/11/2024

Today’s fun was making some chocolate glaze for a cake and seeing these structures in the cocoa powder and icing sugar. Little faults and “soft sediment” deformation Continues to prove earth science and baking are best friends 😋😁 ⚒️

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 28/11/2024

Check this out @earth-science.bsky.social a well paid #earth-science / #geoscience PhD position in a pretty amazing lab group! Bonus that you can spend some time in Italy too! ⚒️

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Carla Tiraboschi @carlatb.bsky.social · 28/11/2024

📣open PhD Position📣 We’re looking for a PhD student to experimentally investigate the role of aqueous fluids in the transfer of carbon in subduction zones at @unimuenster.bsky.social🇩🇪 in collaboration with the University of Perugia🇮🇹. More info here stellen.uni-muenster.de/jobposting/7...

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 28/11/2024

It's also really hard to take his departing speech seriously. Warning unironically of culture wars and an era of populism... Like Bruz, you did this too. The lack of self-awareness is ridiculous. I respect him and his service greatly, but that speech was a piss-take. He played that game too. 🙄

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

Anyway. If you agree or not, I am happy to have this discussion. I think it is important that we reflect on our place in society. Obviously, I was triggered by something being published but I am not going to talk specifically about that. This issue clearly goes beyond that because we keep doing it.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

I know it won't stop just bcoz I have a whinge on social media, but I can't help thinking: All of this harm it is at the hand of poor-research planning & academic ego trips, usually by professors, rooted in mistrust. It's just really sad to think what we could do truly trusting & working together.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

The worst part of this all is that we even say in the paper we've seen those resources but we wanted to make our own for *reasons*. It's ridiculous wasteful. It steals opportunity. It fails the pub test, it fails the vibe check, it fails on every metric and it fails us all.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

They view me travelling around the world to collect, or analyse, or talk about rocks (ones we can't even mine!?) as money that could be better spent. When we initiate studies that partly or fully duplicate other resources, we prove we are disconnected. It's not "our" money after all.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

This waste and harm only exemplifies that. Regardless of politics, I think any researcher who doesn't reflect on the social disconnect and dismay that the wider society has toward the academic community is fooling themselves. My non-academic family views what I do as a luxury.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

I think if you made it to this point you know my answer. It's not. My answer is informed by the fact that coming from #Australia where funding is going backwards and Earth Sciences is being wiped out, we struggle to make our case that we are reflective, self-aware, collaborative, & responsible.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

Well here is the real kick in the guts! Funding is finite. Time is finite. Effort is finite. Everytime one of these duplicated resources comes to life they provide short-term benefit but long-term they steal finite resources from the entire community. Is it worth it?

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

These teams do that work, logically coming at the expense of advancing the primary infrastructure they've built and are (poorly) funded for. We can't even track the cost or wasted potential here, because it's not spoken about. So what though?! Who cares about this team and the PhD student.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

The harm here is that these teams aren't funded well enough to do the essential work needed to just maintain their resources, let alone improve them. Then they get asked to spend time & money they don't have to save a resource that partly or fully duplicates work they might have originated.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

These all sound horrible!!! There must be a better way?! There is! There are large teams of people who take on these resources and take care of them. Solves the problem, right? Well no. The initial waste is still there. On top of that these teams develop & maintain their own resources too.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

There are indeed! You can have lots of individual versions (usually outdated) independently advanced by lots of people. They aren't centrally maintained; in the worst case diverging in structure and consistency. Does that affect the science? (probably if we aren't careful, but I'm not sure)

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

Well the first option is that the resource gets forgotten or superseded by another groups efforts to replace or advance on what is forgotten. Which means, you guessed it, more work to mostly DUPLICATE something that exists or existed. Surely there are other options?

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

Of course they get a publication that will serve their career well, but if they leave or don't maintain the resource then within a few years the resource is stranded. These are NOT trivial time investments. Wasted time. Wasted money. Wasted opportunity. What happens next?

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

There is A LOT of harm. Firstly, this warrant duplication thinly disguised as intellectual advancement. It is usually lead by a PhD student at the hand of a supervisor to serve their niche. Meaning despite a similar resource existing the PhD student has their time wasted for almost nothing.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

The times they don't it is usually because of either: 1) future planning (think Wessel and GMT; Hoffman/Langmuir with GEOROC/PetDB); or 2) they get rescued by other teams (discussed here: doi.org/10.1016/j.gc... & doi.org/10.1016/B978...) What's the harm you might ask?

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Redirecting

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

I can see the argument around software that includes slightly different methods or that is written in different languages for computing reasons (I don't always agree with that argument though). The issue really is that most of these resources almost always become stranded assets.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 22/11/2024

Alright #earth-science sky. I need to #rant. Every year across a range of the Earth Science disciplines a bunch of papers get published with the sole-focus of publishing a software or glorified excel spreadsheet, touting it an amazing resource. They never ask does it exist already?

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 15/11/2024

That will weather gorgeously! 🥰

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 14/11/2024

Congratulations to @mkloecking.bsky.social for being awarded as an Outstanding Early Career Scientists by the EGU today! Supremely well deserved after all your hard work an advocacy for Earth Science Data! www.egu.eu/news/1170/eg...

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EGU announces the 2025 awards and medals!

The European Geosciences Union is honouring 49 people at all stages of their careers who have made substantial contributions to the Earth, planetary, and space sciences.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 10/11/2023

Wow! I didn't know she had written a memoir... I'm keen to read it now though! Thanks for sharing.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 04/11/2023

@earth-science.bsky.social another Geo who might want to see/ post in the feed ⚒️

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/11/2023

Ohhh yeah.., you bought me a shot! Nice. Still don’t remember Morgan. That’s on me 😅😅

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/11/2023

If anyone knows and Earth Scientists who want to move from twitter, I have two codes that are just sitting here and no one I know wants them. ⚒️ 🧪 They can DM me on twitter if they like... handle: @Anthony_Lanati

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Michael Anenburg @manenbu.bsky.social · 03/11/2023

Wow, there’s an entire wall made of this stuff

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MarcA Millet @marcamillet.bsky.social · 03/11/2023

There's still time to register for this event. If you're starting your PhD and want to hear top tips from fellow/recent candidates. You don't need to be a geochemist to attend and benefit!

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/11/2023

You can get good condition second hand versions on AbeBooks. I saw copies for the US and UK for around US$/£15.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/11/2023

#Awkward🐢 I've completely forgotten* then. *There was a good chance I was hungover that lecture (and all lectures) because you (probably Lackie) put the Geophys at 8am on a Friday morning (UBar parties thursday nights).

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/11/2023

My perspective on the divide is anecdotal of course, I am sure many schools in the US teach really broadly on this. I sort of wonder what defines the word "modern" in the question now though? If you frame it from 1980's or 90's onward, compared to 1940's what are the seminal advances you'd teach?

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 03/11/2023

In UG we were taught about Ampferer, Tharp, & Carey, which was built on with teachings on Vine, Morley, & Matthews. Hess was ofc mentioned. Speaking with US colleagues they seemed to know Ewing, Hess, Heezen, Coats(?), & Mason. Naturally Wilson & Bullard. I never learnt of Morgan, only Mackenzie.

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 02/11/2023

I think it can be seen in both ways, depending entirely on where you learned about it. I've certainly noticed that the telling from those in the USA would frame it differently to my undergrad, which painted a picture that ridge bathymetry was a critical line of evidence. Tharp did that work so...

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 02/11/2023

Given I’ve spent all day plotting in GMT which you first introduced me too, I’d say it’s a compliment these days 😅

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Anthony Lanati @phlog-phanatic.bsky.social · 01/11/2023

Well well well! My favourite Planetary Geophysicist is on the Bsky! Welcome @thecraigoneill.bsky.social! @earth-science.bsky.social, another good person to follow! He taught me so much of that I know about Geo-fizzz, coding, & he knows far too much about rocks for a code-dweller ⚒️🧪

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