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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 2h

This will be me and my high school friends

Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 18h

I'm not sure if she's aware of it but this 2022 @rebeccajtiffany.bsky.social tweet is basically an article of faith at @liberalcurrents.com ( @sjshancoxli.liberalcurrents.com quoted it in www.liberalcurrents.com/feminism-wit... and I've referenced it countless times ever since)

My YIMBY take: Every trans 18 year old who is stuck living w unsupportive family should be able to afford an apartment in a vibrant urban space w transit on a min wage job. (+raise the min wage). Build so much housing that that is the norm. Same for others stuck in bad situations

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 03/10/2026

This is by a playground. An exit from the prospect expressway that goes over a widely trafficked crosswalk to the big neighborhood playground. Kids could have been in front of this car.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 01/10/2026

We mean this stuff www.liberalcurrents.com/editors-note...

If you are serious about the military, you have to care about the quality of military governance. In his essay, Rock argues for fixing the democratic deficit in military governance and oversight, and, among other things, restoring the Secretary of State as a true center of gravity for foreign policy. Something else that we desperately need is simply to develop talent, with military and foreign policy expertise, that are neither MAGA idiots nor bloodthirsty neocons, but also are not of "the blob." Liberal elected officials need a brain trust they can draw on that are not embedded in the military-foreign policy establishments and its entrenched interests, but also are not insane reactionaries who believe that ditching the rules of engagement and going hog wild on the world stage are valid or useful.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 30/09/2026

Every time my kids ask me to explain some dated thing in Calvin and Hobbes

Link playing ocarina
“Warp to the graveyard?
-> Ok
No”

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 28/09/2026

We're clear on where we stand right at the top of our submission guidelines, and we use pangram on each submission, but the latter isn't amazingly reliable (some things are just obvious and it's a good confirmation though). IMO everyone think they're great at detecting this stuff

Submission Guidelines

Liberal Currents does not accept pitches or approve drafts we believe were written by Large Language Models. Please do not use LLMs to write either for us.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 24/09/2026

When I say we are a community, that is not just some talking point. It's what we always have been, what we must remain even as we grow and change in other ways. www.liberalcurrents.com/editors-note...

I have talked a lot about what we have written so far but I do want to return to the point: the community that we built. Samantha made such a large stamp on us so quickly not just because she continued to write for us, which she did, but because she participated in the Discord and her perspective helped shape the basic conversational assumptions of the place almost immediately.

Samantha is an obvious example of that dynamic at work, but there are people in the Liberal Currents Discord community who have been there for several years and never written for us, and indeed have very minimal public social media presence. People who have kept us grounded as a community in ways vague and general but also concrete and specific (such as by becoming a mod). When I need a gut check on something, I will often turn to Samantha, Jason, or Paul first, but I also have a relatively long list of people in our community that I will go to for particular topics or as a second look at something.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 24/09/2026

Nowadays we've sunk to simply getting mentioned by the New York Post

Dems' Death Wish For Don
Happy if he dies in his sleep: poll

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 23/09/2026

That’s why you can unsubscribe from all and just subscribe to our weekly roundup if you prefer! And then of course just check the site at the frequency you prefer. Or you can ONLY subscribe to articles & essays; those come one or two times a day max www.liberalcurrents.com#/portal

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 22/09/2026

I think Harris would be fine as a candidate (I also would be fine with anyone on this list except Newsom, and also agree with people saying that a lot of this simply comes down to current name recognition)

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 21/09/2026

I understand the argument that he was walking a fine line but it's in fact a perfectly valid reading of his statement compared to what he's said to the past (below) to call it "folding," and saying that she should have debunked that is essentially saying she should have agreed not disagreed with you

As a state representative, Talarico voted against GOP restrictions barring trans student-athletes from playing on sports teams that align with their gender identity. He said such proposals amounted to a push for the government to “police people’s private parts” and would harm “the least of these,” a reference to Jesus’ remarks in scripture. And he compared the justifications offered for the bans — that trans athletes had a genetic advantage and excluding them would promote safety — to rationales historically used to bar Black athletes from competing in professional sports.

“Some things are more important than perfectly fair competition in sports,” Talarico said in 2021.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 18/09/2026

None of these people has an ounce of self-respect, never mind how they treat other people www.liberalcurrents.com/editors-note...

The sloppy, unprofessional shills of the Trump administration have arrogance but not confidence. They offer no respect to others because they have no respect for themselves. This goes all the way to the top: Trump has never shown an ounce of self-respect or sense of dignity, and demands fealty and submission precisely because he knows he will never get respect.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 18/09/2026

Are we doing the litany on Dreher? Here's mine

@roddreher
Rod Dreher
@roddreher
I know a lot of people don't like @RichardHanania, but any man who can launch and sustain a discourse on how Sydney Sweeney's bodacious ta-tas are a formidable weapon against the curse of wokeness is doing something urgently right. Carry on, lad.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 18/09/2026

You didn't read it, did you? Seriously, read it. www.liberalcurrents.com/let-us-refle...

Trump pasted his face on our money, hung it on the side of the grandest edifices of our republic, stole our neighbors, killed our friends, perverted our courts, and looted our treasury. At every turn, he has confirmed the adage that everything Donald Trump touches dies.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 18/09/2026

Reminding myself that I believe this and should therefore not act in a way that contradicts it www.liberalcurrents.com/rather-than-...

In particular, feed-based social media: Facebook, X, Tumblr, Bluesky. There are important differences among them, such as the extent to which an algorithm overdetermines what you see rather than your own choices. But they are similar enough for our purposes here.

Let us say that someone is lying about you on one of these. You could reply, or quote-post, or share with a comment—depending on how you want to go about it, depending on the platform in question. When it is just one person, this may make the most sense. After all, why let a lie stand unopposed? It may also turn out to be the result of a misunderstanding that can be resolved relatively easily.

Now let’s say there are a hundred people spreading a lie about you. Can you take this approach with all one hundred? Should you?

I have seen people attempt this relatively straightforward approach. And my observation is that it is not a strategy that scales, especially not on social media.

Even without algorithms muddling things, in a reverse-chronological feed, the way that larger audiences are going to encounter the disagreement is going to be partial, in the middle of something still ongoing, and not necessarily in a way that will help your case. Even if you are entirely in the right, even if you’re being smeared with the most outrageous of lies, a good faith observer may enter the discussion at a point that (without the larger context) makes you look bad. The more you directly engage the horde, the larger it grows—this is a well established principle.

Perception is mediated, and the media through which that happened may be the traditional sort or the social sort. The existence of falsehood, misinformation, and lies of all kinds on those media are undeniably an important matter that needs to be addressed. But in seeking to address it you must be strategic. You cannot anticipate everything that might happen, but you can anticipate common patterns.

There are times when it simply makes sense to block clear bad actors, to turn off notifications or replies or the ability to quote the targeted posts, and to otherwise walk away until things die down. Sometimes you simply cannot defeat liars in open combat; you must pick and choose your battles. Do not fight the battle your enemy wants you to fight. You must do less, but better, more skillfully.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 17/09/2026

Gonna tap the sign again with regard to certain controversial figures whose careers are helped by controversy www.liberalcurrents.com/rather-than-...

Do less but better

Sometimes silence is more persuasive than anything you could say.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 17/09/2026

Seriously, look at these people. You can’t make shit this vile up www.liberalcurrents.com/the-future-o...

consider the case of Brandon Herrera. In the past, on his podcast, Herrera derided Shannon Watts and her gun control organization Moms Demand Action for their activism to prevent school shootings. In a display of ogreish misogyny and callous disregard for human life Herrera said,

Just because you let somebody creampie you doesn’t mean I have to give a shit about your political opinions.

The fact that you kept your cum trophy doesn’t make you any less wrong about the dumb shit they you say.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 15/09/2026

But I'm already on the record on how I think we should be approaching the fragmentation question www.liberalcurrents.com/elites-need-...

The question cannot be “how do we return to the monoculture of broadcast” or “how do we dispense with the unpleasantness of social media?” Instead, we must ask: how are we to live together in a world where any random citizen can become a tabloid?

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 14/09/2026

The point of The Reconstruction Papers is to offer positive visions of a liberal democratic future after Trump. In the first issue we did so in 21 essays for 21 distinct topic areas. But even as much as that is, it isn't enough. www.liberalcurrents.com/join-the-lib...

The first issue went very far in this direction, but even with 21 essays—none of them short—we felt there was much we hadn’t managed to cover.

The fact is, even if we were to agree on a specific Reconstruction program in the next two years, it would not be possible to fully enact it by 2030. And even if a trifecta held for a term, even if we got a scenario more favorable than Obama’s two terms, there would still remain a great deal of work to be done.

The priority remains to arm a potential 2029 trifecta to do whatever it takes to get us beyond this crisis and start building the foundation for a better future. But clearly, we will need to continue having this conversation for years to come. We intend to make Liberal Currents the center of such conversations, and The Reconstruction Papers a nice, consolidated format for keeping up with that conversation.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 08/09/2026

Especially after the destruction of the VRA and the gerrymandering wars of just the last year, this seems important. From the essay linked at the top of the thread

A bill guaranteeing the republican form of government could allow some flexibility for the “laboratories of democracy” (as Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis famously called them). But a limited range of options should be outlined, in detail. Broadly, this should focus on:15

Mandating measures to lower the barrier to voting: automatic and election-day voter registration, early and mail-in voting, a fixed minimum number of polling places and workers per voting-age resident, and state holidays for every election day.
Decreeing that at least one state legislative chamber be proportionally allocated. This will ensure it is impossible for a party to seize the entire legislature with less than a majority, and encourage multiparty competition.
Requiring any single-seat office to have a runoff, either through two rounds of voting or through what is colloquially called “ranked choice voting” (which involves “rounds” of calculation rather than voting).
Inviting states to consider eliminating separately elected executives in favor of parliamentary modes of selecting them

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 01/09/2026

Authoritarian consolidation aside, federalism in this country has been coming unglued for a very long time and the most culpable actor in that drama is the Roberts Court www.liberalcurrents.com/editors-note...

This business with agent Castro is just the latest incident, a bizarro inversion of the fugitive slave controversy where the fugitive is actually the perpetrator of state violence against innocents and his defender is acting within the tradition of the slave states. The inversion goes further; rather than the federal government being drawn in on behalf of slavers, it is today's slave state equivalent who is defending the impunity of the federal government.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 01/09/2026

Good God talkingpointsmemo.com/the-brief/dh...

The inquiry also asked Bovino to respond to statements he made about Jeffrey Rosen, the top federal prosecutor in Minneapolis, who is an Orthodox Jew. “Did you make a comment to the effect of ‘Do Orthodox criminals also take off Saturday?'” it asks. “What did you mean by this comment?” it further asks; it then asks whether the comment complies with various aspects of the Customs and Border Protection standards of conduct, and asks the same about a comment Bovino allegedly made about “chosen people.”

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 26/08/2026

The main relevant passage I’d say. www.liberalcurrents.com/institutiona...

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 25/08/2026

Seriously though www.liberalcurrents.com/a-republic-o...

Elite impunity poisons the republic. Subtly at first, then violently. It comes asking for outrageous gifts in exchange for unkeepable promises, accumulating more and more as it goes, until finally, at the first sign of pushback, it summits the whole republic and, to use the creature’s own words, “feeds it to the woodchipper.” The gibbering pentecostal madhouse of corruption that is the second Trump administration is nothing less than an attempt to mulch our civilization so that we may be recycled into something that better flatters a small class of oligarchs so maladjusted that they’ll make Rasputins out of emotionally unstable sycophants who are willing to do nothing but fluff them as a career choice. We don’t have to submit to that.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 24/08/2026

This too, is the will of Steins Gate

Hououin Kyouma looking smug on the phone

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 21/08/2026

Not sure this is the right meme when they actually just have @sjshancoxli.liberalcurrents.com as a guest to talk about something she wrote at @liberalcurrents.com but I do not have a more specific meme

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 17/08/2026

Honestly just want to meet some of these people in person and read their own posts out loud to them to see their faces, and ask them what goes on in their brains when they type this shit

Alan Elrod Personally I think that's bad
quoting a post by someone who says "I was with them until the corpse mutilation"
Lydia Diane responding to alan: ikd. CEO of a think tank. Nothing would be lost.

Alan: I have a family!

Lydia: So do lots of people who actually matter and contribute to society

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 17/08/2026

He is better known for...other work, but @cameroncorduroy.bsky.social wrote a great thing in the state capacity vein for us www.liberalcurrents.com/actually-col...

These policies may be popular with voters but they are bad on the merits and on the politics. Tax revenue has already been gutted by OBBBA, debts are high from COVID relief, and there are no significant spending cuts in sight (especially as the costly war in Iran continues). Beyond the basic fiscal math, it is counter-productive to liberal goals to indulge the anti-tax politics of the right. As the Supreme Court put it in Bull v. United States, “taxes are the lifeblood of government.” If we believe that the government can and should improve the lives of its citizens and the world, it can only do so with the collective buy-in of taxation. The starting point for any Democratic politician should be reversing Trump’s tax cuts, not piling their own on.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 17/08/2026

We open with democracy reform. Mine is also about good governance, however, taking administration out of the hands of local governments and strengthening state governments, while simultaneously forcing state governments to be more democratic www.liberalcurrents.com/the-reconstr...

Nicholas Grossman
Pat Sobkowski
Judith Starr
Robert Black
Adam Gurri
Kevin J. Elliottpolitics
institutional reform that can be done with a
simple ma jority in congress
reconstructing the executive branch
guardrails for democracy
fixing article V
fixing federalism
reconstructing the senate
economics
the

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 17/08/2026

NGL there was this moment in 2019, 2020 where it felt like a dozen magazines launched that had similar-sounding mission statements to ours but all focused on "identity politics bad" type posting and now whenever a pub pops up with a mission statement like ours this is what I see

Waluigi but in addition to the backwards L there's a backwards C

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 16/08/2026

I always think of this comic, also written and drawn by a woman thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/com...

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 14/08/2026

It has been less than a month since The Atlantic write a puff piece about this creep. www.liberalcurrents.com/editors-note...

The Strange, Secret, Open Triumph of Race Science
There's now a bizarre gap between what's still taboo and what's accepted
Richard Hanania

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 11/08/2026

Someone reminded me of this banger today

JUST WALK OUT
you can leave!!!

work
social thing
movies
home
class
dentist
clothes shoppi DA SHARE ZONE
too fancy weed store
cops if your quick
friend ships

IF IT SUCKS... HIT DA BRICKS!!
Real winners quit

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 11/08/2026

From “Sully, Richelieu, and Mazarin,” by Iskander Rehman in The New Makers of Modern Strategy. The central move of early modern Europe was to claim a right or liberty and defend it rhetorically by declaring it to be ancient.

In 1610, these tensions came to a head over the right of succession to the United Duchies of Jülich-Cleves-Berg following the death of its Catholic ruler. Wedged between the Netherlands and the lower Rhineland, this congeries of strategically situated territories was claimed by two opposing coalitions: the Catholic League, led by the Holy Roman Emperor Rudolf II, and supported by Spain; and an Evangelical Union of German Protestant princes backed by France. Plunging into a sudden frenzy of activity, Henri IV declared himself determined to protect the “ancient liberties” of all smaller European states from the threat of Habsburg coercion. French diplo

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 09/08/2026

That last sentence, man (this collection was published in 2023)

The emergence of China’s economy as both a central pillar and an engine of the global economy, will, following the logics articulated previously, fundamentally shape the emerging pattern of world politics. And should the key currency status of the dollar finally erode, for example, or if the US indeed renounces the pursuit of what Arnold Wolfers described as “milieu goals” in favor of a more short-sighted, transactionalist “America First” foreign policy, its structural power will atrophy.41 The US may achieve greater success in extracting a larger share of concessions from others in bilateral negotiations, but those gains will come at the cost of America’s broader international political influence.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 09/08/2026

From “Economic Foundations of Strategy,” by Eric Helleiner and Jonathan Kirshner, in The New Makers of Modern Strategy.

The remarkable reach of American structural power was illustrated by the Global Financial Crisis of 2008. It is little short of breathtaking that a crisis with an American epicenter, rooted in its economic practices, and which exposed the rot of its entire financial edifice, was accompanied by a run towards, rather than a flight from, the US economy and the dollar. Similarly eye-opening was the fact that China, the most significant geopolitical rival of the United States, quickly understood that it was an essential stakeholder in the American order, and in the heat of that moment behaved in ways designed to stabilize rather than undermine the system. When a key political rival not only fails to take advantage of a self-inflicted catastrophe, and instead, if anything, takes measures to bolster the tottering status quo built and run by its adversary—that is structural power.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 09/08/2026

A more recent take. This is more or less where I landed. Not very satisfying but it does push against the idea of giving attention to someone you’ve never heard of before the negative coverage www.liberalcurrents.com/editors-note...

Nevertheless, the lessons are quite useful if we consider the career arc of someone like Hanania. There is an early stage where such a person is establishing themselves, when the best thing you can do is to say nothing about them whatsoever, at least in public. If you see people who trust you praising someone like Hanania, you can reach out privately to tell them the score. But in as much as you act at all, it should be to coordinate on ignoring that person, so as not to lend them credibility with their own side, or to heap more attention of any kind on them.

Because early on in one’s career, it is almost true that there is no such thing as bad publicity. The worst that happens is you remain obscure, whereas negative publicity increases the variability of your long-run outcomes. So making a noisy critique of a still-obscure person is more likely to increase their influence than to helpfully diminish it.

Then there's a middle career stage, where it's harder to judge whether public criticism will do more good, by informing your side and non-aligned people about how bad the person in question is, or more harm, by helping them to grow their audience further.

But at a later stage, there is no longer a point to holding back. Donald Trump is an obvious case, though negative coverage in 2015–2016 probably helped him become known as a politician, whereas previously he was not that. But we're well beyond that now; he's on the second term of his presidency. Mobilizing the opposition against him is the number-one priority.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 08/08/2026

There’s a whole sphere of anti-democratic libertarian and neoreactionary thought that asserted purely a priori that “democracy is a commons and therefore short termist, royal lines have longer time horizons and therefore govern better” when history shows the exact opposite.

hesitant to impose upon its citizens. And this was the crux of the matter. Creditors were loaning money to a state, through its representative body—the Estates General—and there was no king involved. Kings were known to be capricious when it came to repaying their debts, as demonstrated by Spain’s Phillip II, who defaulted on loans four times during his wars with the Dutch. Although Phillip was never completely cut off from European credit markets, creditors were forced to take many precautions to protect themselves from default, including setting exorbitant interest rates on any new funds Phillip requested. Throughout the Eighty Years’ War, the Spanish paid an average long-term interest rate of 7.6 percent, while the Dutch, even as their debt burdens reached extraordinary levels (given the size of their population) were funding their long-term debt at 2.5 percent—a third the cost of Spain.

were lending to a nation. In the wake of Charles II’s infamous Stop of the Exchequer Order in 1672, which bankrupted many of the nation’s creditors, it became almost impossible for the crown to raise new funds at anything approaching affordable rates. Thus, Parliament increasingly assumed responsibility for issuing debt and raising funds to pay the cost of that debt. By the War of Spanish Succession, Parliament was fully in control of state finances. Ministers, such as Sidney Godolphin and Robert Harley, did such an outstanding job putting the nation’s financial house in order that, when Queen Anne tried to remove Godolphin from his position as First Lord of the Treasury, the Duke of Marlborough threatened to resign his command of Britain’s armies if the minister was not retained. In the end, the record speaks for itself; once Parliament took charge of Britain’s public debt, the nation never again defaulted.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 07/08/2026

I think about audiences and voters in a similar way. You have to have some realism about how those collectives have a lot of responsibility for bad outcomes, w/o assuming this implies smaller collectives would be better or that bad outcomes are all we can get www.liberalcurrents.com/defending-de...

What they all have in common is that they are bad reasons. They are grounded in ignorance ("only ‘the bad ones’ will get swept up in the deportations"), in unwarranted wishful thinking ("Trump won’t really raise tariffs so broadly and so high"), in plain old stupidity ("January 6 was no big deal"), in cruelty and bigotry ("someone needs to put those queers in their place").

It is tempting to rationalize this, to try and explain it away, or just plain to ignore it. It is equally tempting to become disheartened by it, to find our faith in democracy shaken.

But democracy is not a system predicated on transcending human failings. Instead, it is predicated on several basic realities: that systems which build in collective feedback mechanisms have greater long-term stability than those which do not. That smaller groups of people are no more likely to surmount their human failings than large groups of people and are more likely to pursue their own partial interests at the expense of the public. That regular elections provide regular opportunities for mistakes to get corrected, which in an imperfect world is far preferable to having one man or one party permanently in charge and hoping you just so happen to get the correct man or party for the job.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 07/08/2026

The other, harder thing is about aiming for victories in mass politics. www.liberalcurrents.com/the-audience...

The second thing, a far taller order for a niche publication like ourselves, is to actually contribute to a pro-democracy victory in mass politics. By and large, our ability to do this is contingent on our ability to successfully do the first one—bigger, more influential media figures than us who are part of the pro-democracy media bloc read our work and listen to our podcasts, and that influences what they say to their much larger audiences in turn.

One might summarize this as saying we seek to publish things that land with the pro-democracy media bloc, in the hope that members of that bloc will in turn publish things that land with the broader public. Alongside journalists or media personalities, this also includes ordinary audience members of that bloc whose statements on social media, group chats, and in person are different as a result of what we have said.

When I wrote “He Will Try” in 2024, I did not think Liberal Currents’ readers needed to be convinced to vote against Donald Trump. I hoped that, by providing an argument for doing so which required the least amount of shared political assumptions and perceptions, our readers might be better armed to talk to the people in their lives that did need to be convinced.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 07/08/2026

The other side of it is doing our part to promote effective collective action against fascism and with an eye towards consolidating our victories against it. www.liberalcurrents.com/the-audience...

Promoting reflective beliefs—that is, beliefs about what one is supposed to believe, regardless of what you actually believe—that are based in reality, useful, and help to mobilize the collective audience of the media bloc as a whole towards political victory (see more here). You can think about this in terms of our role in helping produce the conditions for successful collective action.

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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com · 07/08/2026

One part of it is about giving our *individual readers* tools of analysis, information on unfamiliar topics, well articulated values to help them express those values themselves, and strategic ways of thinking they can apply to their own political actions www.liberalcurrents.com/the-audience...

Promoting good values within that coalition as much as possible, and spreading tools of analysis and strategies of action that individuals and groups can take and use (see more here). You can think of this in terms of what individual readers get from us.

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