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Éamann Mac Donnchada @almagroschool.bsky.social · 26m

I disagree with the central argument but, as usual, it´s very well argued and worth thinking about

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 4h

phoebemaltzbovy.substack.com/p/here-goes

The discourse then became this thing of pro-Israel versus anti-Israel, Zionist anti-Zionist antizionist do we capitalize this or hyphenate that and on and on and frankly I think what a lot of Jews experienced but didn’t articulate was a profound disappointment in what Israel was meant to mean in terms of Jews’ place in the world, then demonstrably was not. Whether your specific politics and interpretation of events pointed you towards anger at Netanyahu and other Israeli leadership for not averting the Hamas attacks or at the severity of the retribution or whether you wish Israel had been more aggressive still, I think this sudden stark awareness that Zionism had failed to do what it was meant to do underlies so much here.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 4h

phoebemaltzbovy.substack.com/p/here-goes

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 18h

Would like to send you a podcast-related email if possible @danielsugarman.bsky.social but not sure how, mine is pbovy at thecjn dot ca . Thanks!

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 19h

Absolute best sort of reply 'oh you're not answering me that's because you don't HAVE a reply' as though this were the only possible reason for not posting on command.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 19h

All lessons I learned irl as a Stuyvesant freshman in 1997.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 20h

So do that! That's a reason to boycott X. 'It's all deranged posts' is not, because that's not accurate.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 20h

That is alas because the two twitters now each include roastings of the most extreme-case examples of the other.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

Let's work backwards here. Do you think any synagogue/congregation is protest-worthy if they host anyone who's had any role ever in the Israeli government? Any synagogue that is by any definition pro-Israel or Zionist?

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

It is not "strange" at all that Jewish religious services might have prominent Israelis speaking at them. Should they have gone with someone from that other Jewish state, for this purpose? If you choose to interpret that as an endorsement of specific Israeli politicians then shrug-emoji I suppose.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

What I was going to say re: the Australia thing, and still have I guess in whichever extras doc on my laptop, is that he was in trouble for harsh and violent rhetoric... from October 10th (?) 2023. The timing seemed kind of relevant there.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

It is naive to imagine holding a free-Palestine protest in front of Yom Kippur services wouldn't have the optics it does!

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

You and I clearly see some things differently and I am 100% sure we're not about to convince each other via posts here. But I refer you to my reply just now about what exactly was being protested, and where.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

I think if there had been protesters specifically with signs about Regev, and that was it, and not a generic pro-Palestine rally in front of Yom Kippur services prompted by Regev's presence, it would have been a different situation, received differently by all (except Regev himself maybe).

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

So yes I went from having never heard of him (I am not on the Mideast beat) to knowing all about his Australian legal issues and current job and past jobs and controversial remarks and and and, and none of it is in the article.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

He is though! I had a longer version where I went into some say this others say that re: Regev specifically before deciding that the relevant question is simply, is it surprising that he'd have been brought in, and my thinking was, it is not.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

I find the sitcom-gentleness question fascinating. It's a sensibility thing more than anything, it's *not* the same as a show having left-wing politics or a diverse cast or anything like that.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

I had thoughts!! phoebemaltzbovy.substack.com/p/something-...

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

The closest I came was the person on here who admitted to hiding copies of it in a bookstore!

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

I have a 500 page dissertation AND two books and all might as well have been banned, they should be so lucky.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 05/10/2026

Forget "banned books week" what about criminally underappreciated books week?

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

What's the word for when your next-up column is distracting you from the one you're about to file?

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

The Green Party “Zionist synagogue “ thing for example

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

If the answer is that you’re welcome in publishing as a Jewish author *if* your politics are not merely not Zionist-self-identified (by some measures most US/half of Canadian Jews) but antizionist (3 people all of whom work at JC, basically), then…?

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

Or: treating it as a data error that ‘how’s it going for Jews with typical politics in publishing’ doesn’t address how it’s going for Jewish authors of books about antizionism who identify that way themselves. If they’re thriving, who exactly is this proving right?

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

The JC piece’s answer is effectively, they’re not facing challenges or if they are it’s because book publishing now rightly (in their view) rejects Zionism.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

The more I think about it, the more I think it’s the ‘this isn’t happening but it is and that’s good’ thing. The question is how it’s going for Jewish and Israeli authors *of books not denouncing (or necessarily addressing!) Zionism.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

Anyway, there's an element of 'this thing you say is happening isn't happening, but also it is and it's good that it is.' But yeah someone did need to look into this topic. Someone(s) else still will.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

Jews can't say 'we feel discriminated against' and expect eggshell-walking and microaggressions attentiveness. Jews can't even say 'a synagogue was just shot at' and demand these things! So the template for speaking out when hated for who you are simply fails.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

It's worth reading. It's a mix of things. I agree with them that the book-counting thus far has not been rigorous. I disagree that 'well now books by Palestinian authors are flourishing' constitutes a counterpoint.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

...makes sense when you consider what the template had been. But it doesn't work because there's hardly a consensus that Jews are the oppressed as versus the oppressor. Indeed, consider the way the narrative played out with the Jewish (?) woman pretending to be Palestinian thecjn.ca/opinion/pers...

thecjn.ca

Two Jews, three apologies: Avi Lewis and Hannah Gann atone, for Palestine

While Hannah Gann’s lies and apologies are more colourful than Avi Lewis’s, only one of these people is causing harm from an actual platform.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

Some Jews post-October 7th have effectively embraced this way of speaking about their experiences. And there *is* data (flawed as all data will be) about Jews as victims of hate crimes versus other groups, for example. But it isn't always about data. Sometimes it is indeed about vibes. Which...

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

There would *often* be a form of bigotry or violence declared an epidemic, without data backing up that whichever problem, however tragic when it did happen, was happening often. There was a culture of not questioning feelings/lived experience/claims of the marginalized.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

What I'm struck by mainly isn't these numbers (which can be found to be basically anything, depending what's included) but rather that there was a long-2010s template for speaking about feelings of discrimination that was not subjected to rigorous fact-checking except by rightwing/heterodox.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

Very interesting and I'll have more to say later but: some of this is fact-checking, some is also people with fundamentally different politics talking past one another.

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ae @aelkus.bsky.social · 02/10/2026

people like to talk about schlubby guy and supermodel couples but i saw a couple walking down street recently that was opposite. adonis sculpture guy and a short mousey girl with glasses clinging to his arm with the look of someone who had just beat the house at a casino

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 01/10/2026

It's the thing I just RT'd. Basically: agreed that whether antisemitism harms or doesn't harm Palestinians is to some extent unknowable and definitely immaterial. But there's something interesting in instances when it's cheered on AND seems obviously bad for Palestinians.

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פינחס יוסף מונד @pymundgenealogy.bsky.social · 01/10/2026

“antisemitism is actually bad for Palestine” debatable and actually who cares, the only people who should ever say that are Palestinians among themselves if they think it useful (Just like the reverse, I am an unapologetic fan of symmetric morality)

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 01/10/2026

Wanted to yes-and a point someone made on here but I have neither QT nor reply privileges so: moving on!

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 01/10/2026

Amazing! Curb Your Enthusiasm is effectively, what if Victor Meldrew but rich. If anything less likeable. But, not a traditional sitcom.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 30/09/2026

Still waiting to find out whether 'anyone in Israeli leadership who let October 7th happen should not have a molecule of power today' is a Zionist or antizionist position.

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 30/09/2026

I'm sure there are ill-informed people out there calling themselves antizionists because they think Israel should have ended the war sooner. But on the whole...

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 30/09/2026

If you’ve picked up on how “antizionism” functions you could well view it as a form of bigotry *while also* objecting to however much of Israel’s behavior. I feel like this is a not-uncommon stance?

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 30/09/2026

Like, is this someone who thinks it blood libel to speak of deaths in Gaza (it’s not), or someone who defines a form of anti-Jewish bigotry that calls itself “antizionism” effectively as a form of antisemitism?

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Phoebe Maltz Bovy @phoebebovy.bsky.social · 30/09/2026

And I’m sure there’s someone somewhere who thinks everything done by Israel is faultless. Is that the ‘all antizionism is antisemitism’ person?

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