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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

THIS feeding frenzy could have been avoided. By not passing the motion, or preferably not writing it in the first place because the party had decent policy on the issue already.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

Okay, this is just poor political judgement. Most people know nothing about zionism as an ideology and they have no interest in it, nor will they ever develop an interest in it. They do care about kids being bombed.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

There's just no need to give them victories by fighting on territory you can't win. This entire feeding frenzy could have been avoided and the position of Palestinians would not be any worse. The motion is worthless for improving Palestinian lives.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

Oh come on! You have to pick the fights on territory you can win. Not charge uphill at a heavily defended battlements. You have a WWI generals attitude here. As I've said 'There's a genocide in Gaza' is totally winnable. We were winning on that. This motion makes it harder to focus on it.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

I guess we have different visions for the GP. I want to build electoral alliances that put us in power.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

Did they, or did they not, successfully undermine the pro-Corbyn vote between 2017 and 2019, to the point of inciting tactical voting against him? So I don't think ignoring them is going to help. Of course they are against us, but why pick unwinnable fights with them? Pick the fights you can win.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

But the GP had not failed to criticise Israel. Quite the contrary, it had the most pro-Palestinian policies of any significant party in the country. These could have been improved for sure, but an argument about an ideology does sweet FA to advance practical action for Palestine.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

They listen to the centrist talking heads. And this created a feeding frenzy among them that ZP had adeptly helped the party avoid.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

I don't care about those people, but I do care about the general public. As I've pointed out, under FPTP the greens do need centrist votes as well as leftist votes. This motion puts us further from power. The GP already had good pro-Palestine policy. This motion is worthless to help anyone.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

But is it always good? You have to pick fights on territory you can win. 'There's a genocide in Gaza' is great territory to pick a fight on because people can see it on their screens. A fight about an ideology most people know nothing about is terrible territory. Just bad politics that helps no-one.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

You are here to adjust the discourse. I am here to win power.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

I'm glad you've learned about this sarcastic term with grace and poise. You'll now be able to explain it to someone else.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

Well the greens can't get a majority government within the forseeable future. So I guess we should all go home.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

Sorry but you are bad at politics, as are most supporters of this motion. The public are not going to develop an extensive knowledge of different streams of zionism! If you rely on that to get your support then you appeal to a handful of people. Pick the fights you can win, people.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

It's widely used as a sarcastic term on the left. Everyone else knew what I meant.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

The GP had already taken a stand. Our position was widely understood as the most pro-Palestinian in the country. There were practical policies that could have advanced that. This is worthless for signalling our stand to most people because they know nothing about zionism.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

In the public mind it does none of that, because the public in general knows nothing about zionism. They cannot make a judgment on whether the claim is correct or not. Unfortunately that means many will default to listening to what the Newsagents or whoever say.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

The GP already had policy to end the UK's complicity in genocide. There were practical policies that could have been added and improved upon. This motion is worthless for actually achieving anything.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

Can you not see that it was written precisely to spark the type of monstering Corbyn got, because that makes its supporters feel all warm and correct? But the monstering of Corbyn between 2017 and 2019 actually worked to end his project. You can follow convictions without deliberate winding up press

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

It will clarify nothing because most people know nothing about zionism or its history, so are unable to judge the motion on merits (whatever they may be). This is one of many reasons it was a poor choice of focus.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

People get obsessed with discourse. I think policy that helps Palestinians, and being able to get into power to implement them, are waaaay more important than ramping up the discourse a notch.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

The views of a minor British party will have zero effect on whether 1 or 2 state happens in practice. Delusional to believe otherwise. Nothing is being shifted here except the ramping up of centrist war against the party.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

The press won't support Greens but there's no need to hand them ammunition. Most people know nothing about zionism so will take their lead from sensibles. It's not like stating the truth of genocide in Gaza, which people can see with their own eyes.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

But also greens do need centrist votes too under FPTP. This motion had almost no meaningful policy content so was mostly an act of self harm.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

Sorry, this is wrong, it has moved the GP further from being able to help Palestinians. Now if we made a coalition agreement with Labour they would say they wouldn't want coalition tainted with antisemitism so would exclude actions to help Palestine from any agreement.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 06/10/2026

Being strategic matters though. We don't pass motions saying 'The Royal family are parasites' because it isn't strategic to do so, even though it is true.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 27/09/2026

If Starmer's government was one of a Can't Do attitude, Burnham's is a government of tweakers. Tweak this. Tweak that. In an age when we need radical change. It won't cut it, either for solving problems or persuading the electorate.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 27/09/2026

Great to see a left movement kicking off under a left government. However Sanchez has been an improvement on right govts, he's not even come close to resolving the ongoing housing mess.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 25/09/2026

This failure of councils to support the public good is part of why the whole country feels like it is in decline. Private wealth wins because that is what elected politicians support. www.theguardian.com/society/2026...

theguardian.com

‘Devastating’: council rejects Frome residents’ bid for regeneration project

Locals raised £1m for Mayday Saxonvale scheme involving homes and park but Somerset officials agreed deal with London-based real estate company

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Daniel McElroy @danielmcelroy0.bsky.social · 23/09/2026

We’re just in a position where the far right are trying to murder people on the streets or at sea and the government have had almost nothing to say about it. It’s all on fucking video you can watch them do it!

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Anand Menon @anandmenon.bsky.social · 13/09/2026

Hard to shake the impression that the overriding sentiment in Tories and Labour to the Reform donations was envy rather than concern about our democratic system….

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Athena Kugblenu @athenakugblenu.bsky.social · 07/09/2026

you could stop all the small boats. then they would find another statistically spurious thing to protest about. the people paying and organising these louts are testing the state for permission to advance a white supremacist agenda. the state is failing miserably

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 07/09/2026

Chocolate teapot is another term that comes to mind

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Dave Vetter @davidrvetter.bsky.social · 07/09/2026

Burnham very studiously perfecting the Starmerite Tao of Anti-Leadership.

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Louis Peitzman @louispeitzman.bsky.social · 10/08/2026

We need to be saying this loudly and clearly: These people have lost their fucking minds.

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flyingrodent @flyingrodent.bsky.social · 10/08/2026

Culturally, this is because we had twenty years of roaring all-channels advocacy for increased racism, harder crackdowns and latterly more deportation and demonstrative cruelty. We had this alongside - at best - total contempt for those opposing austerity, war, racism, police violence and genocide.

College kids defacing a McDonalds during a climate change rally lead to calls to call in the tanks, whereas coke-head wife beaters trying to burn refugees alive get sorrowful expressions of sympathy for their
"legitimate underlying concerns" and "lads with strong feelings, what can you do?" shrug.

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 31/07/2026

Found a book about Twitter users in the library

Children's Book called I really like slop

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 31/07/2026

God grant me a film review site that doesn’t think Nolan films are great. Ditto Villeneuve tbh.

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👻👹 boo-rit 👹👻 @britculpsapp.bsky.social · 31/07/2026

christ if that’s not a metaphor for our times

reuters:

Sunken Nazi warships resurface as water levels drop
Scuttled German WW2 warships have reemerged from the Danube in drought-hit Europe.

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ben smoke @bencsmoke.bsky.social · 26/07/2026

following friday announcement that the govt will not be bringing in rent controls, i looked at the growing case for them (ft. london renters union @acornunion.bsky.social , @bethstratford.bsky.social, @zackpolanski.bsky.social + more) + what burnham's inaction means about his govt (link below)

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 20/07/2026

I hope the complicity of Starmer in the rise of overt racism in the public sphere is never forgotten.

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Spirit of the Spooptober Revolution @stoatie.bsky.social · 18/07/2026

People who keep pointing out that golf courses use as much water as data centres as some sort of defence of data centres drastically underestimate the amount we also hate golf.

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John Merrick @johnmerrick.bsky.social · 12/07/2026

“Effective subsidy” doing a huge amount of work in this

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Jacob S @peopletrees.bsky.social · 11/07/2026

You're telling me Ann Widdecombe lived in a village called Haytor Vale? It's too much. Who the hell is writing this script and can no-one rein them in?

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