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Dorothea Lange @dorothealange.mastodon.ozioso.online.ap.brid.gy · 06/08/2026
Resettlement project located near Gainesville, Georgia #Gainesville #Georgia #WorldWarII #undefined #photography #DorotheaLange www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017763034
The photograph is a black and white image showing multiple wooden signposts in an outdoor setting, likely part of a rural landscape. The signs provide directions to various locations including the "Entrance To Game Preserver," "Resettlement Administration," among others, indicating their historical significance related to land use for resettlement projects or game preservation during times such as after World War II when many were displaced.

The signpost with directional arrows is in focus and seems like it's meant to guide visitors. It indicates directions towards various administrative offices possibly located nearby the area that was part of a larger project aimed at providing homes, jobs, land grants for farmers who had been displaced by war or economic downturns.

In the background, there are trees and shrubs indicating an outdoor environment with natural vegetation which suggests this photo could have been taken in Georgia as per the provided link. The landscape is not urbanized but appears to be a rural area possibly used during resettlement periods for agricultural development and recreational purposes.
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 17/06/2026
Since they introduced tokens and prime, #ChatGPT became a shit sink. Two months ago I asked it to draw me a cycling route and it did a great job. Yesterday it miserably failed the task, not knowing the locations of the cities on a map and best routes to ride. It’s like late 90s AOL vs rest of […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 31/05/2026
Colonialism is normalized. One country seizing land from two others every day and the international leadership isn’t taking serious action. Every eastern Mediterranean state is a collateral to the fascist Israel/US/German alliance. While US guarantees the military financial stability, Germany […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 22/05/2026
Today I bet my dentist $20 that China will be the first country reaching Mars. Being a Musk and US fan immigrant, he stuffed my mouth with stuff so I wouldn’t talk anymore.
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 22/05/2026
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 13/05/2026
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Honduras mayor arrested for masterminding environmentalist’s killing
Adan Funez was one of three men arrested this week over alleged involvement in the shooting of activist Juan Lopez.
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 10/05/2026
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Seed the Commons @mastodon.seedthecommons.org · 27/04/2026
The Santa Marta People's Declaration for a Rapid, Equitable, and Just Transition for a Fossil-Free Future is out: fossilfreerising.org/declaration We pushed hard on food systems, and it shows in the Santa Marta declaration: livestock as a methane driver, rejection of “regenerative […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 26/04/2026
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 27/03/2026
When people say history is written by the victor, they mean the survivor because it’s a victory to survive history.
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Weltzeitgeist @wackjackle.norden.social.ap.brid.gy · 23/03/2026
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Iran embassy:

The Strait of Hormuz will be controlled by me and the Ayatollah 


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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 19/03/2026
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 16/03/2026
On the #sci-fi front, #AI is always discussed in terms of its imitation of human being to the degree that it can make #humans believe it is a self conscious entity. The fact that it may be self conscious is not enough nor is it even the main issue. The real question is if its observers believe […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 16/03/2026
Today’s phrase is “sovereign AI”. Come on fediverse, what do we think we need to federate AI? Or is it just a bad idea? We need torlak about this. Governments are. #ai #Fediverse #Technology giftarticle.ft.com/giftarticle/acti… Sovereign AI […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 10/03/2026
Is there a #Fediverse or #Linux equivalent of #ai ? If so what is it and if not why. The historian in me predicts ai is going to evolve into a plugin or app like extension. The technology reader in me says it’s not a far fetched possibility.
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 07/03/2026
People and the developers are just realizing that #AI is nothing but an app. A simple boycott can bring it down to its knees. In #virtualreality, everything is a fad, a Ponzi scam. There is no difference between the dynamics that govern the popularity of a porn site and #ChatGPT.
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Captain Jack Sparrow @captain-jack-sparrow.mastodon.world.ap.brid.gy · 25/02/2026
Kneecap manager's explosive speech on the Israel lobby, music industry and BBC m.youtube.com/watch?v=2OJByxR_X-o #kneecap #Gaza #Gazagenocide #Palestine #MiddleEast #Westbank #israelterroriststate
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 16/02/2026
Good read.
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 06/02/2026
It is so painful to look at UK government after the Epstein files, and see how slow they are going to be at doing anything about it. And the you look at the US where the chief pedophile is in the White House, sharing racists memes of the previous presidents and their wives, asking NY Penn […]
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Chris Kendall @ottocr.at · 06/02/2026
Wondering what the significance is of this art installation in the Parc Léopold just outside the European Parliament 🤔
A statue of an ostrich with its head buried  in the soil; behind is one of the buildings of the European Parliament in Brussels, flags are on display. Not shown are several other similar statues, all of ostriches with heads buried.
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 05/02/2026
How indifferent the men are to the rape of women and girls? After the Supreme Court Justice Brent Kavanaugh was cleared off of the rape of Christine Blasey Ford, her father went out to play golf with Kavanaugh's father, and both fathers agreed it was a relief the case was closed. Ford's father […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 01/02/2026
List of the US presidents under whom investigations of accusations against Epstein pedophilia ring we’re covered up: Bill Clinton George W. Bush Barack Obama Donald Trump Joe Biden
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 01/02/2026
We have to take football and FIFA back from the gang of governors like Gianni Infantino who suck it up to pro-genocide pedophile politicians and hand them fake peace prizes as if the FIFA stands under their leadership. #Infantino must go. #fifa #genocide #pedophile
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 01/02/2026
Nobel Peace Prize winner fake president of Venezuela regifted her prize to a child rapist! Now what does that say about our idea of peace and morality in general?
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 01/02/2026
So, what enabled neoliberalism to rule the west was to no small extent a pedophile UK/US/Israel cult. Illuminati explained.
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 25/01/2026
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Imagining the End of Capitalism
Ever since the 1990s, when to the longstanding cooptation of the Western working class by social democracy was added the collapse of the Soviet Union and its satellites, the saying has been popular among the chattering classes that “it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.” As McKenzie Wark has noted, there was this weird consensus among both its partisans and its critics that “Capital is eternal. It goes on forever, and everything is an expression of its essence.” Lately, however, there have been attempts to meet the challenge of imagining the end of capitalism. ## **How Will Capitalism End?** One of the early efforts was the 2014 essay titled “How Will Capitalism End?” by Wolfgang Streeck, the eminent former director of the Max Planck Institute for the Study of Societies in Cologne. Taking the bull by the horns, Streeck asserted, “I suggest we think about capitalism coming to an end without assuming responsibility for answering the question of what one proposes to put in its place. It is a Marxist—or better: modernist—prejudice that capitalism as a historical epoch will end only when a new, better society is in sight, and a revolutionary subject ready to implement it for the advancement of mankind.” Streeck’s angle of approach to the question was quite original, one derived from his familiarity with the work of the great Hungarian sociologist Karl Polanyi. This was that capitalism had been so successful in commodifying everything—or converting not only land and labor but also formerly fenced off areas like knowledge, public infrastructure, and the environment into commodities for market exchange—that it was eliminating the very social, cultural, and political conditions needed for its reproduction. A central assertion was that the demands of profit-making had become so intense that capital was destroying the very basis of sustainable capital accumulation—labor—by pushing down living standards in the center economies while allowing only extremely low wages in the economies of the Global South to which it had fled. Streeck was one of the first to advance the idea of a “polycrisis,” that is, that owing to capitalism’s ability to erode the traditional brakes put on its ability to transform everything into commodities, crises were breaking out along different dimensions of societal existence, and these crises had a negative synergy, enhancing the impact of one another and thus magnifying their collective impact. These interacting crises were producing what Streeck called the “five disorders”—economic stagnation, oligarchic distribution, the annexation of the public domain to private property, corruption, and global anarchy. ## **Delinking Accumulation from Social Reproduction** Richard Westra advances a similar argument in his book _The Political Economy of Post-Capitalism_. Capital accumulation can only take place if the profits extracted in the production process are devoted not only to capitalist consumption and investment but part of it is channeled into wages that enable those that produce surplus value to physically reproduce themselves. He agrees with Streeck that the social conditions for the reproduction of the labor force are disappearing at a global level, as capital flees to the poorer countries to avoid the high wages of workers in the advanced economies while paying the bare minimum to workers in the Global South. But equally important, Westra asserts, is the fact that the industrial/manufacturing sector where the extraction of surplus value traditionally takes place has become, for all intents and purposes, a secondary part of the economy, one that is increasingly subordinate to the part of the economy that produces not commodities but “intangibles” like patents, databases, and design, where the cost of production is conventionally estimated at or near zero. More and more, profits are derived from the “intangible economy” compared to the tangible economy, and these are channeled not into the productive sector but into speculation, so that those who monopolize information technology that reproduce the intangible assets via patents and copyrights, such as Microsoft, Google, and Facebook, become exponentially richer, contributing to the creation of that steep inequality of income and wealth characteristic of our times. The much-reduced role in capital accumulation of the traditional industrial/manufacturing sector and the dominant role of the monopolized intangibles sector that makes its profits mainly by controlling knowledge create what Westra has called “capitalists without capitalism,” though he himself expresses some doubt regarding the continuing utility of the term. ## **Burying Capitalism** For both Westra and Streeck, capitalism is undergoing a terminal crisis, but it is still alive. There are, however, theorists who argue that capitalism is dead, and it’s time for theory to catch up with reality. For McKenzie Wark, in _Capital is Dead: Is This Something Worse?,_ capitalism has been replaced by a new mode of production marked by control of the “vector.” Information technology is that “vector,” one that cuts through all dimensions of economic and social life, and it is those who control this vector that have supplanted the capitalist class and constituted themselves as the new ruling class. The capital versus labor conflict that was the engine of change in capitalism has been replaced by the struggle between the “hackers” that produce knowledge and the “vectoralist class” that is able to exploit that knowledge through control of patents and command of the logistics of information acquisition and delivery. According to Wark, > _If the capitalist class owns the means of production, the vectoralist class owns the vectors of information. They own the extensive vectors of computation, which traverse space. They own the extensive vectors of communication, which accelerate time. They own the copyrights, the patents, and the trademarks that capture attention or assign ownership to novel techniques. They own the logistic systems that manage and monitor the disposition and movement of any resource. They own the financial instruments that stand in for the value of every resource and that can be put on the market to crowdsource the possible value of every possible combination of those resources. They own the algorithms that rank and sort and assign particular information in particular circumstances._ Wark says that capitalists were displaced by the vectoralists in what was akin to a bloodless coup. Information technology from the 1970s to the 1990s became an ally of the capitalists in their battle against the powerful labor movement, but upon winning that fight, they themselves were displaced by the vectoralists. The key reason is that the vectoralists were fighting with assets that were different, and this gave them the advantage: > _Owning the means of production, labor materialized into capital in the sense of plant and equipment, is a rigid and long-term investment. Owning and controlling the vector, the hack of new information materialized into patents, copyrights, brands, proprietary logistics. It is more abstract, flexible, adaptive. It is not more rational, but it is more abstract._ ## **The Coming of Technofeudalism** Yanis Varoufakis, the former finance minister of Greece, broadly follows Wark’s line of analysis, and he credits Wark with having greatly influenced him and his new book _Technofeudalism._ Like Wark, Varoufakis says we have embarked on a new mode of production. He does not say that capitalists no longer matter. They do, and they still engage in extracting surplus value or profit from workers in the process of production. But they themselves are subordinate to a new elite, the “cloud capitalists” or “cloudalists,” who have privatized the commons that was cyberspace and now control access to it. The cloudalists, among the most powerful of which are Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and the chipmaker Nvidia, control the globe-spanning information highways that are sustained materially by massive data centers located in different parts of the world. Accessing these intermeshed networks in cyberspace known as the “cloud” is now vital for the traditional or “terrestrial” capitalists to get access to you to sell their products, and these corporate gatekeepers make their money by charging these capitalists rent. Without access to the net, capitalists cannot make profits, and, very much like the feudal lords of yore who controlled land, the cloudalists’ monopolistic control of the cloud allows them to directly or indirectly collect, from the “vassal capitalists” and anyone who uses the net, “rent,” or income that is not subject to the market competition on which profit depends. It is this reliance of most of the cloudalists on income and wealth derived from charging rent to everyone, not from traditional accumulation of value in the production process, that prompts Varoufakis to give the current mode of production the name “technofeudalism.” As in “terrestrial capitalism,” it is not the cloudalists that produce value. The real sources of value are what Varoufakis calls the “cloud proles” and the “cloud serfs.” The cloud proles are the service workers at Amazon and other Big Tech facilities who are ununionized, paid meager wages, and in constant threat of being displaced by robots and Artificial Intelligence (AI). But these proles’ labor provides only a fraction of the value extracted by the cloudalists. It is the cloud serfs that create most of that value. Following Wark and Shoshana Zuboff, author of the influential _The Age of Surveillance Capitalism_ , Varoufakis says the cloud serfs are most of us: we provide raw material for the cloud whenever we do a Google search, post a photo on Facebook, or order a book on Amazon, material that is then processed into information that the cloudalists and terrestrial capitalists can use to develop ever more sophisticated marketing strategies to get us to part with our dollars. The distinguishing characteristic of cloud serfs is they are doing unpaid work for the cloudalists even if they don’t realize it. As he remarks, “The fact that we do so voluntarily, happily even, does not detract from the fact that we are unpaid manufacturers—cloud serfs whose daily self-directed toil enriches a tiny band of multibillionaires.” What is noticeably missing in Varoufakis’s exploited classes are the central producers of value in Wark’s paradigm, the hackers, a category that includes programmers, content providers, and data and logistics managers that produce the wealth of top dogs like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Mark Zuckerberg. It may be that Varoufakis has not yet decided where to theoretically locate them—whether with the proles and serfs or against them—owing to their ambivalent, volatile politics. Whether they see the current mode of production as “terminal capitalism” or post-capitalism, all these authors see it as having brought humanity to a situation worse than that under conventional capitalism. For Westra, what makes the current arrangement distinctive in relation to other modes of production, including capitalism, is that for a mode of exploitation to be sustainable, it is necessary for it to provide the means by which the work force that creates the wealth of the ruling class can physically reproduce itself. That link has been broken in the post-capitalist era, with the ruling class preferring to channel its resources to speculative ventures rather than the provision of a living wage, condemning the workforce into deeper and deeper indebtedness in order to survive. “Even authoritarian regimes need to reproduce the material lives of human beings, as a byproduct of their social goal or project,” he notes. Invoking Rosa Luxemburg’s famous saying, he warns that “barbarism and social decomposition is a more real prospect if new socialist forms are not forthcoming.” ## **AI: From Promise to Threat** In the flush of the advent of information technology in the 1990s, there were those who saw the potential of that technology to bring about that transition from the realm of necessity to the realm of freedom, from prehistory to history, to use the famous words of Marx and Engels. According to Paul Mason, in a piece of writing known as “The Fragment on the Machine” that was part of the voluminous _Grundrisse_ , Marx foresaw a time when, owing to the accelerated development of the forces of production, the main objective of humanity would be the attainment of “freedom from work.” At the dawn of communism, Mason theorized, “liberation would come through leisure time,” or as Marx put it, it would be possible for one “to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd, or critic.” What kept people away from such a society of abundance based on technologies that allegedly reduced the marginal cost of production to zero or near zero was the control of these technologies by the information monopolies, assisted by government and the big banks. Two decades on, such a rosy view of the potential of information technology to serve as the bridge to communism if only we could end the iron constraints of the “social relations of production” on the “forces of production” has withered. With the coming of AI, such liberation seems further away than ever, since the way information technology develops is determined by the interests of those that control it. Technological development is not class-neutral. In her powerful expose of Sam Altman and Open AI, Karen Hao provides in _Empire of AI_ a stark warning about the destabilizing impacts of the development of “centralized AI.” There is, of course, the threat of the creation of a “superintelligence” that can go its own way, eluding human control and subverting humanity itself, a fear promoted by sci-fi literature that is shared by key figures in the AI industry. But AI poses more immediate threats. The so-called zero-cost of-production intangible economy is not independent of the tangible economy. It does not float on thin air. Indeed, it entails massive ecological and human costs. Like capitalism and earlier modes of production, it is extractivist in nature, necessitating the accelerated mining of lithium, rare earth, and other minerals, and voracious in its demand for land and water to maintain data centers whose energy consumption contributes to global warming. There is also the massive human effort needed to check, censor, and annotate data gathered by AI, which is leading the AI giants like Open AI, Google, and Microsoft to hire and exploit hundreds of thousands of workers in developing countries such as Kenya, Venezuela, and the Philippines, workers who are grossly underpaid and are prevented from unionizing owing to the threat of the AI giants to leave and recruit their workers elsewhere in the world. If one adds to the drive for monopoly profits and the absence of regulation the desire of states to use AI for intensive surveillance of citizens, you end up with a Brave New World, even before the arrival of the superintelligence that will displace us at the top of the food chain and have us for dessert. ## **Barbarism…or Barbarism?** It is true that Hao speaks, with guarded optimism, about an alternative path of AI that is based on community control, much like Varoufakis and Wark envision the emergence of cross-class alliances of cloud serfs, cloud proles, hackers, and terrestrial capitalists resisting the information elites and posing the possibility of liberation. Still Westra’s fear of a ruling class that has delinked its interests from that of the survival of the whole society must not be discounted and might, in fact, be more likely. A portrait of such a descent into barbarism instead of leap into communism is provided by a remarkable article by Naomi Klein that appeared in the _Guardian_ : > _The startup country contingent is clearly foreseeing a future marked by shocks, scarcity and collapse. Their high-tech private domains are essentially fortressed escape pods, designed for the select few to take advantage of every possible luxury and opportunity for human optimization, giving them and their children an edge in an increasingly barbarous future. To put it bluntly, the most powerful people in the world are preparing for the end of the world, an end they themselves are frenetically accelerating._ Indeed, some of our techno elites are preparing to literally leave the earth. As Klein notes, “Who needs a functioning nation state when outer space—now reportedly Musk’s singular obsession—beckons? For Musk, Mars has become a secular ark, which he claims is key to the survival of human civilization, perhaps via uploaded consciousnesses to an artificial general intelligence.” Thanks to the writers we have surveyed, it is now easier to imagine the end of capitalism than the end of the world. But whether we regard the system that imprisons us as terminal capitalist, post-capitalist, or techno-feudal, we are more than ever faced with Rosa Luxemburg’s choice of socialism or barbarism. Unfortunately, barbarism, as Klein, Westra, and others warn us, appears to have had a headstart. ### Share this: * Print (Opens in new window) Print * * * Tweet * Pocket *
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 23/01/2026
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 20/01/2026
My immediate feeling today is abandonment. I feel abandoned because I spent a Martin Luther King day during which nobody mentioned BLM, nobody mentioned ongoing genocide in Gaza, Sudan, and nobody made the connection between these silences and posturing pro civil rights as a fad. Bots have won […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 17/01/2026
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An Introduction to Muqaddimah (introduction)
By Dominic McGill and Murat Cem Mengüç
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 12/01/2026
The best thing about the weekend was nobody mentioned the Golden Globes on any of my social media feed. It wasn't even one of my TV's promoted streams.
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 10/01/2026
Tae Hwang’s Big Value at the BlackRock galleries was the first and nearly the last show I saw in 2025… My review at Substack. open.substack.com/pub/menguc/p/big-…
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Tae Hwang's Big Value at BlackRock
BlackRock Arts Center, Germantown, MD
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 09/01/2026
My review of Tae Wang’s Big Value at BlackRock Galleries. substack.com/@muratcemmeng/note/p-1…
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Chuck Darwin @cdarwin.c.im.ap.brid.gy · 03/01/2026
The Federal Reserve just pumped $31.5 Billion into the Banking System. It’s the largest liquidity injection since Covid and higher than the the Dot Com Bubble. www.reddit.com/r/FluentInFinance/co…
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 02/01/2026
Yoko Ono at the Museum of Contemporary Art Chicago
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 21/12/2025
Pure poetry.
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Jon Keegan @jonkeegan.com · 19/12/2025
Here's a quilt of Volume 4 of the Epstein document dump. Gives you a 10,000 foot view of the redactions. that's 2,704 docs.
an image quilt of epstein documents
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Paul Wermer, CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 @paulwermer.sfba.social.ap.brid.gy · 19/12/2025
CO2 is #JunkFood for plants. Food becoming more calorific but less nutritious due to rising carbon dioxide www.theguardian.com/environment/202… #ClimateCrisis
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Food becoming more calorific but less nutritious due to rising carbon dioxide
Researchers noticed ‘dramatic’ changes in nutrients in crops, including drop in zinc and rise in lead
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 19/12/2025
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Live recap: Data centers and local power in Michigan
## Overview: - Data center developers are applying to fill in wetlands, temporarily disturb a stream and install a culvert, and install three stormwater structures that will discharge treated stormwater into the Saline River and Bridgewater drain. - As part of Related's settlement with Saline Township, roughly 200 acres of wetlands, open space, and agricultural land on the data center site will be preserved with a conservation easement. - "How can we call ourselves the Great Lakes state when we can't even protect our watersheds?" says Michigander Dylan Tremba. **Don’t miss out!** Join more than 13,000 of your neighbors who already receive our informative, independent reporting on climate, health and the environment in their inbox each week. Sign me up Michigan environmental regulators held a hearing Thursday night on a proposed permit to disturb 10 acres of wetlands for a $7 billion Oracle and OpenAI data center in Saline Township. The hearing came hours after the Michigan Public Service Commission approved DTE Energy’s application for quick approval of its power contracts for the 1.4 gigawatt data center, which met with widespread public opposition. ## Planet Detroit's free email newsletters Independent reporting on climate, health and the environment for metro Detroit and Michigan, in your inbox each week. Sign up Around 180 people attended the Michigan Department of Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy’s online hearing Thursday, according to agency staff. Many commenters said they’re concerned about the environmental harms of destroying wetlands, potential contamination from the facility’s closed-loop cooling center, and data centers’ impacts to Michigan’s water resources and climate goals. ## ‘Huge risk to the Saline River’ The rapid expansion of data centers has severe climate impacts, and the facility’s cooling system will concentrate contaminants that could impact nearby waterways, said Alex Beauchamp, with the nonprofit Food & Water Watch. “We cannot allow this huge risk to the Saline River to be permitted further,” he said. To make way for the 250-acre data center on a 575-acre property, developers are applying to fill in wetlands, temporarily disturb a stream and install a culvert, and install three stormwater structures that will discharge treated stormwater into the Saline River and Bridgewater drain. One stormwater outflow would be placed in the Saline River’s 100-year floodplain. ## 💙 **Double your donation with NewsMatch** From **Nov. 1 – Dec. 31, 2025** , your gift to **Planet Detroit** will be **doubled** through NewsMatch. Your support helps support civic reporting that protects your health, community, and environment. Donate Today! Jonathan Furman, vice president at data center developer Related Digital, said the company is developing the site in “a community focused and responsible way” and stressed the safety of the facility’s closed loop cooling system. “In the unlikely event that there is a small spill from the closed loop system, each building on our site has dedicated storage tanks specifically designed to catch any leak,” Furman said. The liquid would be pumped into a truck and taken offsite, he said. The facility will use 10,000 to 20,000 gallons of water daily, the executive said. He added that Related tries to be a good neighbor. Several attendees at the virtual hearing referenced the Saline Township board’s vote against rezoning land for the development in September, and its subsequent agreement to a settlement after the landowners and Related filed suit. ## Wetlands ‘not a marginal issue’ Lansing resident Marshall Clabeaux stressed the importance of wetlands for people and wildlife. “Wetlands are not a marginal issue, they’re fundamental to the water cycle our planet depends on for our global response to climate change and are essential for the well-being of billions of people and protecting species under imminent threat of extinction,” Clabeaux said. Wetlands were abundant in Michigan 200 years ago, covering 17% of Michigan’s land and provided habitat for fish and migratory birds while absorbing rainfall and protecting against flooding. Over the last two centuries, roughly 40% of these areas were destroyed for development or agriculture, according to Michigan State University Extension, with southeast Michigan experiencing the highest percentage of wetland loss in the state. Related’s Furman said the project will mitigate stormwater runoff from the site, reducing the peak flow into the Saline River during storm events. As part of Related’s settlement with Saline Township, roughly 200 acres of wetlands, open space, and agricultural land on the data center site will be preserved with a conservation easement. The deal also includes $4 million for a township farmland preservation trust fund, along with millions in other benefits. Michigander Dylan Tremba said the site is among the “the few crumbs of productive riparian zones left in the lower in the southern Lower Peninsula.” Wetlands take decades to fully mature and “can’t simply be picked up and rebuilt somewhere else,” Tremba said, adding these systems play an important role in filtering pollutants and protecting regional water quality. Michigan residents are tired of watching corporations destroy limited natural areas, he said. “How can we call ourselves the Great Lakes state when we can’t even protect our watersheds?” ### 🗳️ What’s next? Tips for civic action **Why it matters** ⚡ Wetlands play an important role in Michigan, helping to filter pollution, prevent flooding, and protect biodiversity. Data center power demands could make it more difficult for the state to meet its climate goals, depending on what generation sources are used. **Who’s making civic decisions** 🏛️ __ Michigan’s Department of Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy will decide on a wetland permit for the Saline Township data center development. **How to take civic action now** * 📩 **Email** Public comments can be made to EGLE on the agency’s public notice webpage for the wetland permit. Comments will be accepted until Dec. 28. * 📣 **Ask** EGLE how the Saline data center will impact wetland habitats and regional water quality. **What to watch for next** 🗓️ __ A decision from the EGLE Water Resources Division on the wetland permit for the Saline data center site. **Civic impact** 🌍 Following EGLE permitting decisions and commenting at public hearings is one way to you can stay informed and influence issues impacting regional water quality and wildlife. ⭐ Please let us know what action you took or if you have any additional questions. Please send a quick email to connect@planetdetroit.org. ## MORE ON THE SALINE DATA CENTER ### Live recap: Data centers and local power in Michigan In Michigan, rural communities are grappling with the impact of major tech companies proposing large-scale data centers, raising critical questions about energy consumption, water use, and who truly benefits from tax incentives. by Nina Misuraca Ignaczak December 18, 2025December 18, 2025 ### DTE Energy’s Saline data center contracts win quick state approval, despite uproar The $7 billion, 1.4 gigawatt Oracle and OpenAI data center is planned for 575 acres of farmland south of Ann Arbor. by Brian Allnutt December 18, 2025December 18, 2025 ### Data center protest at Michigan Capitol aims to pressure regulators ahead of DTE Energy decision New legislation would roll back Michigan’s tax incentives for large data center developments, which were signed by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer at the end of 2024. by Brian Allnutt December 16, 2025December 17, 2025 ## Support Planet Detroit Join a community of members who support independent journalism that protects our health, our neighborhoods and our futures. Thanks to our supporters, Planet Detroit can empower more residents, inform public debate and build a healthier future for all of metro Detroit and Michigan. Join today
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 14/12/2025
I want to write a sci-fi novel in which the aliens come to earth and completely ignore Europeans, as well as Judaism and Protestant Christianity, because they think these phenomena are irrelevant to the larger population of the planet and their suggested importance is all made up by those who […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 11/12/2025
More bad news … www.economist.com/science-and-techn…
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 09/12/2025
Every #AI investment in every country is a disguised #WATER grab, WATER theft. These tech giants are literally seizing the world’s water while telling us it is about AI. Each one is going to lead to prioritization of corporate access to water in the name of #data storage and #technology while […]
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Zuckerberg has blown 77 billion – enough money to revitalize entire countries – on an idea so overwhelmingly, obviously stupid that I have never once heard anyone, from the Thanksgiving avuncular table to the most wretched depths of social media, say they liked it or even tried it. He was so […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 07/12/2025
I saw a plenty of game in which Carragher was useless and played full time. #liverpoolfc #liverpool
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 06/12/2025
Again it boils down to racism against MENA and particularly Arabs and Muslims. I have been watching the league as a Liverpool fan for over 23 years now, every weekend, and it is absolutely sick how this guy is being treated. I have never seen anything like it. Commentators like Carragher who […]
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Murat Cem Mengüç @mcmenguc.mstdn.social.ap.brid.gy · 06/12/2025
Slot is a coach who cannot distinguish between luck and wisdom. The changes he made during the second half (minutes late) a show he still doesn’t know what is happening. #liverpoolfc
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