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We do. A nationally owned national rail network that gets freight off the roads. Alliance have a fantastic rail policy. Getting more representation in parliament via them so we have the numbers is just essential.

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Oh you mean like a controlled opposition for the interests of capital? Hmm. What would that make parties who join them without conditions then?

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Why do the Green's refuse to stand up against Labour's position, on literally anything since it is all bad, today? Under FPTP we never had a left (or so called) that would remain silent to Labour's awful positions. Now under the system which is suppose to be more representative, they do even less.

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Sara @lotts.bsky.social · 3h

National, Labour, and every party who will join them in coalition without a red line against this. Which means every party currently in parliament and one likely about to enter. "Democracy".

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Remember I am not the one saying the Green's need a certain number of votes before they can decide there are bottom lines for them. They and their supporters are.

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It's not fatalist though. It's just what polling reflects. This isn't a margin of error thing. You have to believe that against all evidence the outcome is going to be very wildly different than anything the public are saying. Anyway, as I said my issue isn't with other voters, it's the parties.

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other than we eat meals together. They changed that one thing and it happened to solve everything for them. I know of other children for whom it would not matter what the parents did, nothing would change. To attempt to brush it off as one thing and always easily solved is ugh just typical.

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There are all sorts of reasons children can be picky eaters. Sometimes they are solvable sometimes they are not. It's irresponsible of them to to put it down to the food being offered. I had a couple of friends who asked me why my children ate fine. I told them I don't do anything different to them

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I have that sentiment towards all of the parties they include on every issue, still it would choose some of them for me. I wonder what the people funding these get from them.

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Sara @lotts.bsky.social · 5h

They haven't and they won't. And I do not wonder why at all. And once again the self described left will deliver us another right wing govt - either way.

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I'm truly tired of being of the left being told in this country that the only thing you can do electorally is temporarily prevent something that the very parties you vote for end up supporting anyway in a cycle or two. Capitalists get 100 day plans & guarantees, the working class endlessly told no.

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Sara @lotts.bsky.social · 5h

I cannot help that my vote might not count. That's not something I can change. That's the system. Labour ARE the neolibs. The Green's are at the very best helping the neolibs, especially with no bottom lines. There is literally no way to not help the neolibs in NZ anymore.

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Sara @lotts.bsky.social · 5h

Thank you, much appreciated. I don't either since they aren't on the approved list for media attention. The number of people who are interested after saying that didn't realise they were back/or heard of them says everything.

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You don't clarify what you mean by fragmented vote, but anything that breaks up the stronghold that the current status quo has over working class people is fine by me. I've participated in the liberal's theory of getting change in this country for a long time, that's over and done for me.

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As I said, it is espoused all day every day about how much better MMP is while people keep trying to suggest we have to act like it's still FPTP. Pick a belief.

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Do you understand how ludicrous it is to keep telling me they can't risk fighting for more votes from the place they are most likely to get them in order to be able to get their policy at the same time as saying they can't do any policy without those votes?

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Seymour justifying kicking people off disability by claiming people who win lotto end up purposeless and depressed. Should we then round up the wealthy and sorted, lotto winners and landlords who mooch around all day and force them into wage slave work - you know for their wellbeing and all. #nzpol

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What can't they do exactly? All it is is reasons they can't possibly commit to any of their policy. You're giving me reasons not to vote for them. If the Green's need this magical number, why didn't they take a leaf out of Zack Polanski's book this election cycle?

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Be disappointed that more voters do not want to reject ongoing harm, or be disappointed that I have given my vote to a platform that means more harm to more people. I prefer the former.

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Why is it so incredibly impossible to get a good faith discussion? I think you know I have no qualms in speaking up for myself in regards to what I would rather. Perhaps you are somewhat correct. I would rather be disappointed trying something else than the same thing and getting the same result.

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"Don't worry your pretty little heads about policy delivery", right? Maybe Alliance will get less support than Green's. Hardly surprising with the media and online left refusing to talk about them. But at least they stand behind what they say and as such they are willing to sit on the cross benches

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I don't even believe the Green's will do it, but if they are supposed to take us closer to one, there has to be a demonstrated pathway. So far under MMP we have lost ground. And again, like I said, we are expected to just go in blind with very obvious barriers to policy.

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yet when it comes to voting people on the left are told to just treat it like FPTP. Some people might just want to win a three legged race with Labour, but some of us want policy that will meet the needs of the many to lead to a more just society. Now I do not in any way believe Labour will do that.

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You keep telling us to vote Green's. I have always said my vote is never set in stone. Yet when I ask you questions in response to claims you have made, in order to help me make a decision you can't answer them. It's all very well to espouse on all the time about how much better MMP is than FPTP,

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Sorry I forgot you always answer my questions with a question. Well since no one can answer this & The Green’s have decided to leave us in the dark on everything to do with what it would actually look like when it comes to their coalition with Labour, I guess my suggestion is vote Alliance.

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Are the Green’s going to refuse to support this? Or any of the anti working class people positions Labour currently has?

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That requires a lot of assumptions and regardless is still bad.

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