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Surprised you still read that rag…I unsubscribed and haven’t looked back.

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That’s why cheating on this scale has to be punished so harshly that it’s not just seen as an acceptable cost of doing business and “worth it”

He probably didn’t bank it in Norway. Probably Switzerland and their banks don’t tell anyone anything.

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Bingo. He still rode the bike better than everyone else on the road and we can’t take away from the skill that took. Am I doing this right?

Hazbro @hazbro.bsky.social · 15h

Pressure from them, maybe, nowhere else. I think if they’re in the title race that’s even more reason for them to be punished so it impacts this season. Imagine the season reviews of this season featuring both the news of them being found guilty and the image of them holding the trophy aloft.

Hazbro @hazbro.bsky.social · 15h

I barely remember what Boro were punished for. Meanwhile everyone will still know what City did in 50 years. And if they were to win the title this season after that verdict? It will taint the league well into the future. It’s as big as Calciopoli. It’s the Lance Armstrong of football.

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Hazbro @hazbro.bsky.social · 15h

Completely disagree. The world is meaningfully different, but football, its impact on the wider society? That’s no different now to then. The only thing that’s changed is the amount of spotlight and attention which is *more* reason to punish them, not less.

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Hazbro @hazbro.bsky.social · 16h

That’s the bare minimum for an effective punishment imho. Anything less isn’t good enough.

Hazbro @hazbro.bsky.social · 16h

Not sure why that’s relevant. It’s the same league, same ruling organisation and I’d argue the consequences of relegation are also much bigger than the consequences of “deciding the title”.

Hazbro @hazbro.bsky.social · 16h

Yeah, let’s not let nation states own football clubs. I’m hoping the PL has learned that lesson.

It’d have to be relegation, transfer bans for multiple years and sale of the club to new owners that the PL oversees and okays.

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I don’t disagree but they also need the punishment to stick. No good issuing a statement saying they’re being kicked out of the league only for them to fail to get the votes.

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I don’t disagree. I think they have to navigate all the available options, full expulsion, points penalties, transfer bans, as well as how these may end up reduced on appeal. But it can’t drag on much longer surely.

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Boro were relegated because of a points deduction in 1996/97. There’s precedent for deciding important stuff via points deductions.

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They may do both, points penalty and put a motion up for expulsion just to be safe, and if it passes they can suspend the points penalty for if/when they make their way back up. That might actually be the smartest way to punish this.

Sadly it looks like that’s what’s going to happen. Expulsion doesn’t seem like it’s got the legs (clubs apparently reluctant to vote for that) whereas a points deduction and transfer ban don’t require a vote so they’ll probably get both of those (hopefully a 5 year ban).

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Expulsion would require clubs voting for it and apparently there are more than 6 clubs who don’t want to vote for it so it wouldn’t pass the 14 vote mark.

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Hazbro @hazbro.bsky.social · 23h

They have to be. The PL will get sued within an inch of their life if they don’t after deducting points from other clubs. The question is whether the appeal will work. If not they will absolutely get a points deduction.

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Exactly. No way a club who cooked up over £900m in sham contracts, used double contracts to compensate people off the books and who were then guilty of over 30 charges simply related to obstructing the investigation and not complying, would go so far as to pay refs off the books…

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Hazbro @hazbro.bsky.social · 23h

Exactly the same logic. “He still rode the bike better than everyone else”

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Again, if they did this, and they were coached by a man who failed two drug tests in his career…do we think it’s that far fetched to think they may also have resorted to drug doping and just gotten away with it? Anyone willing to cheat is willing to use every edge they can get.

This. All this “but it was off the pitch and the trophies were won on it” stuff ignores that the two are intertwined. They don’t have those players if they don’t cheat. They probably don’t have that manager either. One who has a history of drug doping too…

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So unlike Isak to be injured too…

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I think the reverse is the safe one. Will try it for the Lille game.