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Hans Eric Melin

@hanseric.bsky.social
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Founder of Circular Energy Storage – a reserach firm specialised on analysis of the global lithium-ion battery end-of-life market Share my time between London, Vienna and the road. www.circularenergystorage-online.com

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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 25/08/2026
Our data and reports tell you how things are and will be. No opinions. Our workshops are the exception. There we want to move the market — still from data, but with a position. Vienna, 23 September. A full day on LFP. Still a few seats left. www.linkedin.com/feed/update/...
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Be part of a full-day working session on how LFP batteries can become value-positive across their lifetime — through better use, reuse and repurposing, improved collection and processing, and… | CES R...
Be part of a full-day working session on how LFP batteries can become value-positive across their lifetime — through better use, reuse and repurposing, improved collection and processing, and stronger...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 01/07/2026
Second life battery applications don't scale automatically because there is a demand for energy storage capacity. Neither do EV batteries magically pop out of the the cars when they reach 80% (of what BTW?...). Learn more about the dynamics in the market. www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Second-life batteries are having a moment — and it's well deserved. Reuse and repurposing capture far more of a battery's value than recycling, and they let battery owners, OEMs and PROs cut c...
Second-life batteries are having a moment — and it's well deserved. Reuse and repurposing capture far more of a battery's value than recycling, and they let battery owners, OEMs and PROs cut cost and ...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 30/06/2026
My latest article. On how long EVs stay in the market and why should understand it and not only trust the chart in front of you: Your numbers are much lower. And so far, you are right. www.linkedin.com/pulse/your-n... via @LinkedIn
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Your numbers are much lower. And so far, you are right.
Last week I visited a recycling scale-up in Europe. The company has come a long way in its plans to establish material recovery on European ground, and it was good to see the facilities and understand...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 29/05/2026
Back home from two weeks in China. Here's what I saw: www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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You probably haven't heard of Yichang. You should. | Hans Eric Melin
This week I was in Yichang. A Chinese city of 3.9 million you've probably never heard of. It already has more than 100 GWh of battery cell capacity in operation or under construction. Brunp went from...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 14/05/2026
Europe wants a battery industry. Investors want returns. www.linkedin.com/pulse/europe...
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Europe wants a battery industry. Investors want returns.
Lately, we’ve seen setback after setback in the European (and also American) battery industry. And almost every time, the explanation quickly becomes the same: “There was not enough capital.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 13/05/2026
The battery reuse pivot, the recycling stumble, and what the data actually says www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser... #battchat
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The reuse pivot, the recycling stumble, and what the data actually says | Hans Eric Melin
The reuse market shapes everyone's economics in the battery value chain. Most people don't realise it. The reuse and repurposing market is what determines whether end-of-life EVs stay in the US and E...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 04/05/2026
Our latest research published: LFP turns positive around 2037, 2026 cohorts produce net positive lifetime value — and today's contracts are pricing neither. #battchat www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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#batteries #recycling #lfp #endoflife #circulareconomy | Hans Eric Melin
Our latest Research Update is out — The Provisioning Trap. I've been working on this one for a while. It introduces the CES Used Battery Value Forecast, our first forward curve projecting the value o...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 30/04/2026
Battery recycling will be cheaper and more profitable. And so will reuse and repurposing. Join us in London to discover why and discuss what it means for the market. www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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CES Battery Value Briefing — June 2026.pdf | Hans Eric Melin
What is a battery worth at its end of life? Most people in this market are guessing. Or worse, ignoring. The cost of guessing wrong — on residual value, on PRO fees, on reuse and recycling business ...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 24/04/2026
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Heading home from a great annual meetup organised by the Swedish Association of Car Dismantlers and Recyclers – SBR Sveriges Bilåtervinnares Riksförbund. I had the opportunity to share CES Research…...
Heading home from a great annual meetup organised by the Swedish Association of Car Dismantlers and Recyclers – SBR Sveriges Bilåtervinnares Riksförbund. I had the opportunity to share CES Research ...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 15/04/2026
What will your batteries be worth at end of life? Workshop: The Battery Value Equation London, 2 June www.circularenergystorage.com/battery-valu...
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The Battery Value Equation
Asset or Liability? Workshop on the future value of used batteries in London the 2nd June 2026. Register here.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 17/03/2026
Take-aways from Interbattery in South Korea🇰🇷🔋: www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Some takeaways from InterBattery in Seoul 🇰🇷 — Arguably the most important battery event outside China. What stands out is the level of technical and commercial focus, driven by leading players… | Ha...
Some takeaways from InterBattery in Seoul 🇰🇷 — Arguably the most important battery event outside China. What stands out is the level of technical and commercial focus, driven by leading players acros...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 03/03/2026
Looking forward to speaking at InterBattery in Seoul next week 🇰🇷. Will present CES data on the real lifecycle of batteries🔋♻️– and what it means for carbon footprint, residual value, and the future supply of recycled materials. Reach out if you're attending and would like to meet.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 12/02/2026
Prices of used EV batteries are falling. That's good for recyclers. But also for repurposing businesses. But also for EV exporters... 🧀🐀🐈🐕 www.circularenergystorage.com/post/the-rea...
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The Real Battery Economy, Seen Through Prices
What falling used battery prices, rising material values, and record EV exports reveal about where value is actually created — and lost — across the battery lifecycle
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 31/10/2025
Why there is no tsunami of waste EV batteries www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Understanding the EV battery lifecycle – CES 2025 | Hans Eric Melin
🔋 15 slides to understand EVs’ real lifecycle 🖥️ You’re welcome. It’s been a busy month presenting, discussing, and explaining Circular Energy Storage Research and Consulting's data behind our lates...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 23/10/2025
Again, the Commission wants it all: Clean energy A competitive clean tech industry Made in Europe By Europeans That’s at least two objectives too many to be realistic in a globalised world ec.europa.eu/commission/p...
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Speech by President von der Leyen at the European Parliament plenary ahead of the European Council of 23 October 2025
Thank you, Madam President, dear Roberta,\nMadam Minister,\nHonourable Members,\nOne topic of the European Council will be defence. We discussed it two weeks ago here, in this hemicycle, and we discus...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 22/10/2025
The EU want to have its cake and eat it. That may kill the automotive industry. My two Euro cents in Stockholm. www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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It was great to share the stage in Stockholm with Jonas Premfors, bankruptcy trustee for Northvolt Expansion, and Ilka von Dalwigk, Director General of RECHARGE, at Mobilitetsdagen organised by… | Ha...
It was great to share the stage in Stockholm with Jonas Premfors, bankruptcy trustee for Northvolt Expansion, and Ilka von Dalwigk, Director General of RECHARGE, at Mobilitetsdagen organised by Dagen...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 16/10/2025
Invest in battery recycling. As easy as investing in a coffee shop: www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Three measures you must understand before investing in 𝗯𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘆𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 🔋 ♻️ — or in a coffee shop. ☕ 💵 𝗣𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗲 is a cost when you buy and revenue when you sell. Both are… | Hans Eric Melin
Three measures you must understand before investing in 𝗯𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘆𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 🔋 ♻️ — or in a coffee shop. ☕ 💵 𝗣𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗲 is a cost when you buy and revenue when you sell. Both are shaped by supply and demand...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 15/10/2025
50% less time on sea 100% more goods with the same fleet www.reuters.com/sustainabili...
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Chinese freighter halves EU delivery time on maiden Arctic voyage to UK
A Chinese container ship has completed a pioneering journey through the Arctic to a UK port, state-run news agency Xinhua reported, cutting in half the usual transit time for the electric vehicles and solar panels aboard destined for Europe.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 09/10/2025
We don’t need better EV sales. We need better EV ownership www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Diese Tipps helfen beim Kauf eines gebrauchten E-Autos! | Hans Eric Melin
Great article in AUTO BILD about the low second-hand values of EVs, aiming both to explain why buyers are worried while also showing that their worries are often unfounded. Nevertheless, it reveals ag...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 03/10/2025
A story about an adorable electric car and its lifecycle. www.linkedin.com/feed/update/...
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I love the little C-Zero 🚗 . Or the i-Miev and the ion. All being the same car from Citroen, Mitsubishi and Peugeot. Here, yesterday in Marylebone in London. Still modern, still stylish. The… | Ha...
I love the little C-Zero 🚗 . Or the i-Miev and the ion. All being the same car from Citroen, Mitsubishi and Peugeot. Here, yesterday in Marylebone in London. Still modern, still stylish. The range...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 02/10/2025
Residual values for EVs continue to slide. And here's the thing. Next year's EV stock coming off 3-years lease contracts in Europe will be around 28% higher. Will the adoption rate among private buyers keep up with that? autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/mmu-bev...
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BEV residual values continue to drag in September
Residual values (RVs) of battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) continued to languish across many European markets during September.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 02/10/2025
Speaking about low residual values again. Because somebody needs to. Not ”despite” we like EVs, but because we want the market to succeed. And it’s not working. www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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What do residual values of EVs have to do with how many batteries we’ll reuse or recycle? Quite a lot, actually. Almost as much as the total number of EVs sold. Residual value drives cost of… | Hans...
What do residual values of EVs have to do with how many batteries we’ll reuse or recycle? Quite a lot, actually. Almost as much as the total number of EVs sold. Residual value drives cost of ownersh...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 01/10/2025
The EV battery recycling challenge. To survive until it's meaningful. www.linkedin.com/feed/update/...
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$284 million. That’s how much the European light EV battery recycling market will be worth in 2030 at today’s material prices, according to Circular Energy Storage Research and Consulting’s latest… | ...
$284 million. That’s how much the European light EV battery recycling market will be worth in 2030 at today’s material prices, according to Circular Energy Storage Research and Consulting’s latest for...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 29/09/2025
Our four most important forecasts (high-level) now available free for anyone: Battery demand Batteries in use Supply of used batteries Supply of battery scrap www.linkedin.com/feed/update/... #battchat
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🚀 Big update from Circular Energy Storage! We’ve just launched an improved dashboard on our data portal, CES Online — and now anyone can track our high-level forecasts for the global battery… | Hans ...
🚀 Big update from Circular Energy Storage! We’ve just launched an improved dashboard on our data portal, CES Online — and now anyone can track our high-level forecasts for the global battery market: ...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 26/09/2025
Track our high-level data for free – and check out our latest posts circularenergystorage-online.com/so/94Pc5kCGG...
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Update from CES 26 September 2025 The Battery Market, Unlocked
CES has opened up its high-level data on CES Online. Track demand, supply, recycling, and usage—available now for everyone on the first page of CES Online.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 25/09/2025
How can you monetise 25 TWh? www.linkedin.com/feed/update/...
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Electric vehicles will typically last 20 years or more—just like ICE vehicles today. In our latest report, The Battery Lifecycle Report 2025, we dedicate a considerable number of pages to proving… | ...
Electric vehicles will typically last 20 years or more—just like ICE vehicles today. In our latest report, The Battery Lifecycle Report 2025, we dedicate a considerable number of pages to proving thi...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 24/09/2025
EV batteries are reused today and will continue to be reused. But in a fast-growing market and with batteries living long lives in the vehicles, the business cases of reuse and repurposing are and will always be challenging. www.linkedin.com/feed/update/...
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“Do you believe in second life?” After 10+ years analysing this field, I still get asked. But it’s the wrong question. Belief doesn’t matter. The market does. Right now, companies choose: ♻️ Send…...
“Do you believe in second life?” After 10+ years analysing this field, I still get asked. But it’s the wrong question. Belief doesn’t matter. The market does. Right now, companies choose: ♻️ Send ...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 23/09/2025
Is the European 🇪🇺 EV battery recycling story one of a half-full or half-empty glass? www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Is the European EV battery recycling story one of a half-full or half-empty glass? 🥛 That depends entirely on what expectations you bring to the table. If you want to see the glass half full… | Han...
Is the European EV battery recycling story one of a half-full or half-empty glass? 🥛 That depends entirely on what expectations you bring to the table. If you want to see the glass half full, you’l...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 23/09/2025
How do we deal w high EV insurance costs? “In January, Chinese authorities released a broad set of guidelines, telling companies to lower the costs of replacement parts and repairs for new energy vehicles, and promote “cross-industry data sharing” and cooperation” www.bloomberg.com/news/article...
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China’s EV Boom Saddles Its Auto Insurers With Chronic Losses
China’s giant electric vehicle insurance market is flailing. Losses are piling up, as companies’ risk models haven’t kept up with changes in vehicle economics and driver behaviors.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 22/09/2025
The EV market is not healthy. The proof is right in front of us – on the used car lots. Car makers need to more Apple and less...car makers. And the battery and mtrl/recycling industry has to take responsibility for its own situation. #battchat www.circularenergystorage.com/post/why-low...
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Why Low Residual Values of Electric Vehicles Threaten the Western Automotive Industry, a Circular Economy — and Why Focus on Ownership Is the Solution
“You never actually own a Patek Philippe. You merely look after it for the next generation.”You know the ads. A handsome man — sometimes a woman — caught in a perfect moment with their son or daughter...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 18/09/2025
Our new Battery Recycling Report has been published. A short writeup about it here with link to our Executive Summary: www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser... #battchat
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It’s already a week since I had the great pleasure of stepping onto the big stage at ICM AG's 30th edition of the International Conference on Battery Recycling (ICBR) in the vibrant city of Valenc...
It’s already a week since I had the great pleasure of stepping onto the big stage at ICM AG's 30th edition of the International Conference on Battery Recycling (ICBR) in the vibrant city of Valencia ...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 05/09/2025
Our new report is out. We spent several months digging as deep as we could to understand how long EVs will stay on the roads, how many of them that will be exported and how many batteries that will be reused. Now we have a very good understanding. www.linkedin.com/feed/update/...
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#icbr | Hans Eric Melin
After almost six months of work, Circular Energy Storage Research and Consulting is today publishing a new flagship report — the evidence and data behind our most important forecasts on battery use, r...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 31/07/2025
An interesting article about people's perception about battery swapping – with my comments about why battery swapping might be a solution to drive up residual values. And why low residual values is threatening the entire EV and battery industry. www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser... #battchat
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🔋 Interesting article in Nature Magazine on the acceptance of battery swapping in Germany. | Hans Eric Melin
🔋 Interesting article in Nature Magazine on the acceptance of battery swapping in Germany. The study suggests that the ability to swap a battery could actually help some EV sceptics take the leap to e...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 30/07/2025
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Can you spot the least likely part of this story? | Hans Eric Melin
Can you spot the least likely part of this story? Which of the events is the most rare? Here’s a clue. In our latest Battery Lifecycle Report 2025, we show that EVs are likely to stay on the roads as...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 30/07/2025
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141,949 EVs left Germany last year. | Hans Eric Melin
141,949 EVs left Germany last year. 🇩🇪 🚗 ⚡ That’s equivalent to: - 37.2% of all EV sales in Germany in 2024 - 10.2% of the national EV fleet just one year ago - 73.2% of Germany’s entire EV stock i...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 30/06/2025
A comment on Redwood Materials’ move into second life. To be involved in repurposing indeed makes a lot of sense for recyclers. Especially if they have an aggressive strategy. But there are many out there who wants to get a piece of the value pie. ⬇️🔧🔋🚗 #battchat www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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🔋 Last week, Redwood Materials announced a major strategic move: they’re launching a new business area — Redwood Energy — focused on energy storage solutions using repurposed batteries. | Hans Eric Me...
🔋 Last week, Redwood Materials announced a major strategic move: they’re launching a new business area — Redwood Energy — focused on energy storage solutions using repurposed batteries. Even more impr...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 27/06/2025
In the whole battery lifecycle recycling generates the least. There is more value in: 🔋 Use it well 🛠️ Maintain it 🔁 Reuse + repurpose it That’s where the jobs and returns can come from. And yes—it makes recycling stronger too. #BatteryLifecycle #EVs www.circularenergystorage.com/post/from-ba...
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From Battery Use to Recycling: The Auto Industry Needs a Circular Rethink
At the recent EVS38 conference in Gothenburg, I found myself the lone dissenter on a panel when moderator Mattias Goldman posed what seemed like a straightforward question: Could circularity give the ...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 20/06/2025
There’s no feedstock shortage in battery recycling—just too much capacity chasing too few batteries. This was always going to happen. www.circularenergystorage.com/post/from-po...
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From PowerPoints to Overcapacity: The Battery Recycling Boom That Wasn’t
If there’s one shared sentiment echoing across the global battery recycling sector right now, it’s disappointment. The volumes simply haven’t come. Feedstock is tight. Some recyclers are running on fu...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 10/06/2025
Two Nio in two hours in Frankfurt. Used to be two EVs…
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 13/05/2025
So #battchat What’s the difference between LMR and old fashioned LMO? (In many ways championed by GM and LG as well) @lacey.se @sl-thepowerhouse.bsky.social @jamestfrith.bsky.social www.reuters.com/business/ene...
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GM, LG to make new, lower-cost cells for future EVs
General Motors and battery partner LG Energy Solution are planning to start commercial production of lower-cost cells for future electric vehicles at a U.S. facility starting in 2028, the companies said on Tuesday.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 08/05/2025
Great news! But why are these kind of announcements so often leading to nothing? Why is money left on the table? www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Ascend Elements Offered Public Funding for Battery Materials Facility in… | Hans Eric Melin
The Polish government 🇵🇱 is ready to reach deep into its pockets to support not only battery material recovery but also pCAM production—the long-missing puzzle piece in Europe’s quest for a closed-loo...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 05/05/2025
An economy can be circular even if the circles aren't located in the same market. Essentially that is what always happened with mobile electronics. But it has consequences. www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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The circular economy is so much more than just recycling. ♻️ 🔧… | Hans Eric Melin
The circular economy is so much more than just recycling. ♻️ 🔧 🔋 Repair, remanufacturing, and reuse often generate far more local value than simply recovering raw materials, thanks to the higher inhe...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 30/04/2025
Free webinar just uploaded! 📺 ♻️ 🔋 🚗 Really enjoyed this session discussing the used EV battery market at the International Roundtable on Autorecycling! Available for anyone to watch. www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Webinar | Hans Eric Melin
Free webinar just uploaded! 📺 ♻️ 🔋 🚗 I really enjoyed this session, sharing my view of the used EV battery market for the auto salvage and car dismantling community at the International Roundtable o...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 29/04/2025
Shred baby, shred! ⚙️🪫 www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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LG Energy Solutions to build 20,000 tpa pre-processing plant in France… | Hans Eric Melin
Yesterday's announcement of a joint venture between LG Energy Solution and DERICHEBOURG Environnement illustrates the current direction of Europe’s battery recycling sector: 🔋 Battery manufacture...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 28/04/2025
As China's EV industry races toward world dominance, the rest of the world is busy putting up obstacles to its own competitiveness. This + notes about our updated recycler database, prices of used batteries and new subscription options in our news. circularenergystorage-online.com/so/59PPiOycj...
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April News
In this edition, we dive into the challenges Western and Korean battery recyclers face as EV markets move in different directions worldwide. Plus, we’ve updated our used battery price data, refreshed ...
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 31/03/2025
First in the wild🦌🇦🇹. Will be a very intersting month and coming Q. #teslamodely
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 24/03/2025
52.5% revenue growth Every car maker must ask: What are we doing in this market and how do we ensure we remain relevant in the next 5 years? Battery companies, on the other hand, must ask: What are the chances that other car makers can actually succeed in doing so? www.reuters.com/business/aut...
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Chinese EV giant BYD's fourth-quarter profit leaps 73%
Chinese electric vehicle (EV) maker BYD lifted fourth-quarter net profit by 73.1% to a record 15 billion yuan ($2.1 billion), it said on Monday, reaping the rewards from undercutting and outselling its rivals.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 18/03/2025
This really captures the big difference of an industry in full swing and a nascent one. While Chinese cell makers every year introduce higher C rates, lower cost, higher specific energy etc, all backed up with clear data, European cell makers remains at ”we will soon make cells”.
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 06/03/2025
Five slides on the challenges for European battery recyclers www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Hans Eric Melin on LinkedIn: Summary from Battery Recycling Europe
Had the opportunity to address an engaged audience at Battery Recycling Europe 2025 in London yesterday, speaking about the challenges the European battery…
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Hans Eric Melin @hanseric.bsky.social · 04/03/2025
UK has the chance to become the leading EV market in Europe www.linkedin.com/posts/hanser...
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Hans Eric Melin on LinkedIn: #makebrexitgoodforonce
A sunny, and silent, afternoon in Tottenham Court Road. Over 20% of UK’s new light vehicle sales are BEVs. And sometimes London, where also 1400 buses are…
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