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No one is going to set a number unless it’s easily achievable. But if it’s not easily achievable then it probably doesn’t happen.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 1h

Ofc there are discussions. This is the most obvious thing in the world. And some of those discussions will be ‘formal’. But they won’t be formal in the very specific sense of formally relating to an application that has already been made.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 2h

They’re indifferent between stonking GE win (in this context) and stonking referendum win. If anything the GE might be better because 5 more years.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 2h

Idk but my usual theme of this situation is different is relevant I think

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

Like 2019. Oven ready Rejoin.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

In the end…it’s politics…so in this possible situation if it looks v likely rejoin will win that’s I think likely to point towards a GE (ie government wins). In a closer situation it’s a referendum.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

Now I can think of many reasons why a referendum might be preferred but a second specific GE is not I think out of the question.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

In a weird sort of way this is the reverse of 2016-2019. My question is why that second stage *needs* to be via a referendum vs a specifically focused GE.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

So we do have in fact a rather mixed precedent. In our rather different situation, Burnham seems to be inclining towards a mandate to negotiate via GE and then (I think this is a solid supposition) a referendum to approve whatever is negotiated.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

However, the point about a specific democratic mandate remains. But — lest we forget — it’s noteworthy that two mandates were sought and won. The first, to leave, via referendum, the second to in effect approve the deal via the 2019 election.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

I find the first reason unconvincing. Just because we had a referendum on the way out, doesnt necessarily mean we should have one on the way in.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

Firstly, because we had a referendum last time round to leave. Secondly, because a democratic mandate is absolutely required and a convention has developed that for major constitutional questions that should be via a referendum.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

Firstly it is eminently reasonable to suggest a referendum would be required — indeed it’s the reasonable base case. But why is that?

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

Well I might as well suggest a situation in which which rejoining the EU would not require a referendum — this is quite specific so bear me.

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 3h

What is Vernon Bogdanor and is it contagious?

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Dr Stylite @columnist.bsky.social · 5h

Quite specific French language question. Can the French word ‘trouble’ ever mean shiver or tremble?