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Berna Devezer @devezer.bsky.social · 07/05/2025

Thanks I hate it. This "let's settle things in the ring once and for all" approach to science is weird as hell. There are no easy formulas, no promised answers, and science isn't to be determined by an agreement between two parties.

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Make science more collegial: why the time for ‘adversarial collaboration’ has come

Bringing together proponents of rival theories to test their ideas against each other can advance science — but only if all sides can accept that they might be wrong.

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Berna Devezer @devezer.bsky.social · 07/05/2025

It's anti-pluralistic nonsense. Makes wrong assumptions about scientific results (e.g., that they're inevitable) and about the relationship between individual scientists and scientific progress.

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Manjari Narayan | @Neurostats @neurostats.org · 20/05/2025

The weird thing about this article is that my model of adversarial collaboration isn't what Kahneman was studying in that piece, but rather his own style of collaboration with Tversky after reading the Michael Lewis book. One time bake-offs don't do much to change how you approach a problem.

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Ben Hayden @benhayden.bsky.social · 20/05/2025

I agree with you! I'd go further and say the consciousness disaster is a argument for why funders need to be avoid superficially good-sounding approaches (adversarial collaboration) and instead be cognizant of metascience.

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Bart Penders @penders.bsky.social · 08/05/2025

In this time of normalised bullying on the global stage, we apparently need to get some more of it.

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Dan Goodman @neural-reckoning.org · 20/05/2025

Agree that they don't in the slightest settle things once and for all, but I think they can be a valuable exercise in trying to find enough common ground between two positions to state what a disagreement amounts to more concretely. That's part of the scientific process but not a replacement.

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rhaco_dactylus, phd @rhacodactylus.bsky.social · 07/05/2025

this got me thinking of the modern race scientists calling for adversarial collaborations to test their racist hypotheses no thanks. some things scientists say ARE in fact pseudoscience and should be called out as such. and we should be adversarial with them, not collaborative.

However, many scientists in the wider ecosystem of consciousness did not continue the conversation in the same collegial spirit — quite the opposite, in fact. In an open letter after the initial release of the results, supporters of GNWT called IIT a pseudoscience6. Such language has no place in a process designed to establish working relationships between competing groups.

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Chris Crandall @chriscrandall.bsky.social · 07/05/2025

But what if they’re important scientists?

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Steve T PhD @thelasttheorist.bsky.social · 08/05/2025

"Your master has taught you well, but you're still no match for my Open Claw style."

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Kaitlyn M. Werner, PhD @kaitlynmwerner.bsky.social · 07/05/2025

I don't know, maybe instead of fighting each other, scientists can actually work together to solve a mutually-relevant problem? Maybe they should try that. But, then again, that would mean caring about science, not just who is right...

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Q. McLamore @ghawinriver.bsky.social · 10/05/2025

Also while we're on the topic..."adversarial collaboration?" That's a weird way to spell "kink," because the adversarial collaborator was his wife. If "adversarial collaboration" involves me boning my collaborator, I don't think it's all that adversarial.

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Maaike @maaikeverbruggen.bsky.social · 20/05/2025

What an unscientific view of science

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Atanas Stankov @neuronasko.bsky.social · 07/05/2025

It’s the times. I think the crunch in American academia is catalyzing folks to act more aggressively on items they had on the back burner. It’s knives out for stagnant theories that have controlled discussions for years. One example I’m seeing it with is foundation models in neuroscience.

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Dr. Jeffrey Kavanaugh 🇨🇦 @jlkavanaugh.bsky.social · 19/05/2025

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Alt: "Nope. Don't like that."

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