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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 7h

Good on you. You got Trump now. So you got an infinitely worse outcome. but hey, at least you’re pure.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 14h

Please. Show me a Green Party win. I would love to see it. I look forward to seeing you fix things.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 14h

I look forward to seeing how you fix it. I really want you to succeed. Good luck.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

I look forward to seeing you proving me wrong.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

Impeaching only gets rid of him if the Senate convicts. Otherwise it’s performance. I would certainly support impeachment if there was a reasonable chance you could get the votes in the Senate to finish the job.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

What is your solution then. Do you even have one?

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

Then prove you can win elections. Until you do that you have nothing.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

Really? Because I see a Republican majority in the House and Senate with a maniac in the White House. So please enlighten me on how this is the Democrats fault.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

I’m not. I just recognize that there are two genocidal parties to that conflict. Hamas is every bit as bad. But I would yank Israel’s chain back hard if I had the power to do so. They’re just making it worse.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

Not attacking anybody. I am warning you. Do whatever you wish. I will tell you what your opponents strength is. They know how to fall in line. That’s why they have moved the nation so far right over the last 50 years while the left slept. But you play it however you wish.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

Well, where are the majority of Americans?

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

Then you tell me how you will make it better.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

In ‘24 the winner was going to be named Trump or Harris. I didn’t like that but there it is. I picked Harris because the consequences of choosing Trump was going to disasterous. If you didn’t vote, you voted to go with whoever won.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

Then you better start winning elections. How about this. Run for office.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 15h

Who gave the House and Senate majority to Republicans? It didn’t just appear from nowhere? Who elected Trump, who nominated the justices? Had Hillary won, what would have been different? It was American citizens casting votes in American elections.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

No you don’t. Do whatever you want. Just don’t act like your choices don’t have ramifications. They always do.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

I never shit on minority groups. I just point out that they, like everyone else, make decisions. Those decisions have consequences. Sometime good, sometimes bad. In ‘24 the consequences were very bad.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

Now I never said any of that, did I? Not once. Not ever. All I did say is that people had choices. They could vote Red, Blue or other. They could not vote at all. Every eligible citizen picked an option. We got Trump and MAGA. Next time the citizens should make better decisions.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

I’m in the camp that thinks that, in the end, citizens are ultimately responsible. We had choices, we picked Republicans.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

Well, we certainly solved that genocide problem, didn’t we?

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

I’m have Sid several times that I can deal with progressive ideas. I also know that since the birth of the left in the 19th Century they have been far more effective at fighting each other than they have in fighting the right.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

Yes, and they got a nice lesson there, didn’t they? Lots of people made stupid decisions. I just advocate for not making them twice.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

that in progressives. They sure didn’t show it in ‘24. I don’t expect to live long enough to get back to where we were in 2015 let alone have the options we could have had if Hillary had one in ‘16. Or a Hillary fanatic, but she would have been a far better result than Captain Chaos.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

Look, the consequences of this administration will dog us for the next 20 years if we’re lucky, which is probably my life expectancy. My guess is more likely 25-50 years. You’ll get to live with the rest. I’m just warning you. Do whatever the hell you want. I’m will g to be pragmatic. I don’t see ..

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

I actually am. I would support a lot of the DSA economic agenda. But somehow 7 million votes disappeared between ‘20 and ‘24. And the nation elected Trump as a result. There’s an obvious lesson there. But if people don’t learn it they will have to keep retaking the course.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 16h

There was a common thread in ‘24. It’s still present today. There are a bunch of people that are ideologically pure that they will not make a pragmatic vote or not vote at all. They’re entitled to that. But they shouldn’t act like they didn’t contribute to the results.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

Good. Then accept the consequences. Don’t pretend you don’t have a hand in it. Just take a look at what you’re living with now and do a simple thought experiment. Would ICE be terrorizing cities now if this were a Harris Administration? Would we have bombed Iran. I think probably not.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

The ultimate responsibility for the people in government are the voters. These people didn’t appear from an alternate universe. They were elected based on cumulative decisions made by individual voters. People wanted to make a point. Fine. But that point had predictable consequences.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

And, not voting for Harris solves the genocide issue just nicely, didn’t it.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

It isn’t. But just have the guts to accept the consequences.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

That’s rich coming from the progressive community. When it comes to self-righteousness, theyre as insufferable as the Evangelicals. I’m somebody that would agree with them upwards of 70% of the time. But they are better at fighting someone like me than they are about fighting the right.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

You sure are. But complain about the consequences. At least have the guts to take responsibility.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

I give up. It want just Dearborn. It wa the whole Progressive movement. I’m not blaming just Muslims you nitwit. I’m blaming all the people that sat on their asses, and there were a lot of activists in that community that joined them. It was a group effort.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

Trump got 80,000 votes more than Harris in Michigan. .1% is about 56k of that. About 50k votes were idiots voting for Jill Stein and Cornel West. You are really missing the point. In the search for the ideologically pure candidate we got Trump.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

How many votes does it take to flip Michigan? EC votes are allocated on a winner take all basis.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

Progressives don't actually speak for the majority of Americans. A little humility would go a long way.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

I don't ignore them. But progressives need to learn to win elections. That takes some level of political savvy. We have this problem in a Congressional district near me. Progressives feel that they should get the benefits of having a majority of the vote when they get about 18%.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

Maybe, maybe not. But it sure didn't help now, did it?

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

Honestly, I still get this attitude from Progressives who want to teach candidates a lesson. I call it the "I'll show you, I'll hurt me" syndrome.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

There was a huge movement in '24 among progressives and disaffected people in places like Dearborn to protest Harris' because she wasn't sufficiently Pro-Palestine. I had this argument numerous times with folks back then. Harris got 7 million fewer votes than Biden. So, a bunch of people didn't show

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 17h

Yup. It's still "I'll show you, I'll hurt me".

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 18h

Yea, she did. But progressives were leading the charge to sit it out because Harris wasn't good enough. She also wasn't progressive enough. Look at the results. Harris got 7 million fewer votes than Biden did four years prior. That's a lot of people sitting home.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 18h

Look, if they all voted in the presidential election, Harris still might have lost. The point is people sat on their asses because Harris wasn't good enough. I would have thought they would turn out if, for no other reason, it would be self preservation.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 18h

How did that make progressives and Muslims sitting on their hands more rational? Yes, more whites voted for Trump. More whites have been voting conservative since 1968. Tell me something new.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 19h

I'm just pointing out that even jurisdiction has its frequent flyers who regularly appear in court for low-level, stupid shit. Republicans act like it's blue jurisdictions that have these problems. There's plenty of them in rural red areas.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 19h

I'm sure she had the documents in a folder labeled "Immigration Fraud".

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 19h

All of my pets have come from a shelter. Sure, I had to put some work in. I paid some vet bills to fix them up too. But every one was worth it.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 19h

Their kids will. The stupid thing is a lot of these immigrant communities might be receptive to some aspects of conservative thinking. But somehow the Republicans don't get that "You suck, vote for us" is not a winning slogan.

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Voice in the Wind from Cascadia @voiceinthewind.bsky.social · 19h

It's all about the show of terrorizing immigrant communities. It has nothing to do with actual safety.

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