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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 22/09/2026

We're BACK with an amazing episode with Ell, @joshfightsabear.bsky.social , and @margaret.bsky.social on a bunch of weird little laws like "Love your neighbor!" Margaret turned the questions around to ask why we bother reading this weird little book. This is a great place to start if you're new! ⚓

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BCP Minus Context @bcpminuscontext.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

For behold, darkness covers the land;

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

Idk maybe a hot take but 2018-A068 and 2022-A057 might have something to them.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

Once you begin to play, prayerfully and communally, I think that's where we stand the chance of encountering the Holy Spirit doing some new and beautiful thing.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

But I think one of the beautiful parts of our church is the many gifts we offer within the confines of the rules. A puzzle is more fun to put together when you have the border. You play in a sandbox because there is a box in which to not lose the sand. AND

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

And, to be clear, I have a deep love of the Book of Common Prayer and feel very strongly about obeying the rubrics because I don't want to do anything to mess with the magic, pardon the expression.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

I brought up James Farwell's point in Ritual Excellence that there are so many different options already available to us in the prayer book that in reality, despite praying out of the same book, no two Episcopal services are *actually* identical.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

So I've written a couple Eucharistic prayers that we're working on together. But another (older) priest and I were talking, and he emphasized the importance of a shared BCP.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

My discernment internship priest was lamenting the fact that we probably won't get a new BCP anytime soon because he fears there aren't enough poets and theologians trained up to write liturgy. I suggested that we needed to start training folks, and he said, "Good, you should do that."

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 20/08/2026

Fun fact: If you look at all the different options in the Book of Common Prayer for the basic liturgy of a Rite II Eucharist, the purely statistical odds of any two parish services using the identical choices is 137,625,600 to 1. ⚓

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 12/08/2026

"Personal salvation is never merely personal." - Audre Lorde

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 10/08/2026

- Hangpressed: The state of hanger that has progressed to depression. - Horngry: Sexually frustrated and pissed about it. - Anxpiss: Stressed about how much you need to pee. I welcome your additions.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 10/08/2026

One of the major detriments of the English language is the way our emotions are separated out from the physical sensations causing the emotion. Hangry is a great word because it identifies both the feeling and its source. I propose the following:

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 10/08/2026

I think even if you whizz the hell out of it, an essential part of salsa is The Chunk™. Wine (and blood) has no Chunk, so at best, it is white people salsa (ketchup).

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They Call Me Doctor Mae @dr-maeforrest.bsky.social · 08/08/2026

Debating the "existence" of God: -pointless -boring -antithetical to a religion based on faith itself Debating whether or not communion by intinction is simply a variation on "chips and salsa" -invigorating -a bold new frontier for discourse -you get drunk the more you do it

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 07/08/2026

okay but now I have to go find all my notes lol brb

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 07/08/2026

Does the PCUSA include the filioque? I assume yes just because it's the Western standard, but I am not familiar enough with Presbyterian theology to know for sure. I do also have theological objections, if that's what you're looking for.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 07/08/2026

My Presbyterian boss had four meetings today, including our one on one. I joked, "Don't you ever work?" And he replied, "Yeah but I have to have a meeting about it first."

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 07/08/2026

I use those two examples because they just make the whole attempt to define "conservative" or "liberal" pretty useless in the theological realm.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 07/08/2026

I suppose where I really come down on this is that I don't think you can actually be orthodox and exclusive. You can't preach the God of love and then use that faith to justify hating people. That is heresy.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 07/08/2026

So does that make me more or less orthodox than someone who believes in the filioque and Mary's perpetual virginity--two doctrines added in much later to official church teaching?

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 07/08/2026

I am orthodox. I can say the creeds without any problem. But I do understand "Virgin" to be Mary's title rather than an adjective about her and reject the filioque because it wasn't added at an ecumenical church council.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 07/08/2026

Yeah, and I think the term "theologically liberal" is also fraught with problems. I am a Christian universalist--like the early church. I believe in the ordination of women--like the early church. I reject biblical interrantism--like the early church. So does that make me liberal or conservative?

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I am really preferring being blasted with "My opponent hires pedophiles," which should just be the entire strategy of the Democratic party rn.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

"I'm so right that even though you're wrong it doesn't matter because Jesus already saved you anyway! So HA!"

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I worry sometimes whether being open about the fact that I am a Christian universalist renders me unorthodox. Then I remember that the folks who shaped orthodoxy believed so fervently in the divinity & humanity of Christ that they couldn't help but become universalists because of their orthodoxy.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I would love to know more if you have any recommendations!

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

Absolutely! I wholeheartedly reject the idea that the problem with the Protestant Reformation was that anyone could read the book and instead offer that most of the Church's failings have been in how many people didn't.

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Jordan Haynie Ware @godwelcomesall.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

This was the whole 2FAB experience. I kept reading and going “wait, people think *this* is the book that’s anti women in leadership? This one? Have they read it?”

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

Haha thank you! And yeah, I've been told that as well. I think I fit in the inclusive orthodoxy camp, but I tend to want to push back on anything that tries to tell other folks the way they *must* interact with a God far too large for my religion, much less my particular set of beliefs.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

And this is all just me working out for myself what y'all have been saying. I appreciate your patience, lol. It doesn't need to be in opposition to people who aren't as orthodox as us, which is what defined the "orthodoxy" of my youth and has nothing to do with y'all.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

You can be orthodox and exclusive (for example, Catholics). You can be heterodox and exclusive (for example, Jehovah's Witnesses). You can be heterodox and inclusive (for example, Unitarian Universalists). But you can also be orthodox and inclusive, which is the balance the Episcopal Church seeks.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

It's helpful to think of this term as outlining a grid with the axis "orthodox v. heterodox" and "inclusive v. exclusive."

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

Thank you for adding this perspective. As I was describing to folks the options for my discernment internship, I had to describe the many different spectrums of difference in the Episcopal Church: Protestant v. Catholic, outwardly focused v. inwardly focused, rich v. poor, etc.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

Like literally. I realized I was non-binary by rereading Galatians 3:28 and going, "Oh, I'm the 'nor!'"

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

The more I believe in the Bible the queerer I get.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I also have a soft spot for Spong. I don't know that I agree with him on anything, I just feel instinctively defensive of anyone most people feel is an acceptable punching bag.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I suppose this is probably where I'm pushing against it. I feel like I need to know what inclusive orthodoxy is *against* before I can know what it is *for*.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I like the way that several people here have defined inclusive orthodoxy. I also don't like the way some people use that label to then justify some pretty uncomfortable beliefs. But that's also true of the label "Christian," so it's not like I'm escaping anything here, haha.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

Someone told me that makes me "generously" orthodox, but I think we've now exited the point where adding any adjectives to "orthodox" ends up not being especially helpful.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I don't have to cross my fingers to say the creed. I also don't think someone else's salvation or sanctification is dependent on believing the creeds. I know too many holy Baptists, Quakers, Muslims, and atheists to believe that.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I've advised many queer Christians that if you don't see a clear statement of inclusion on a church website and when you ask about it you hear, "Let's grab coffee," you need to get the hell out of dodge.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

And to be totally transparent, the reason I've engaged in an attempt to have a good faith discussion on the term is explicitly because I deeply respect @theodramatist.com and he uses the term. I'm coming to the term with both 1) my own religious trauma and 2) my identity as a queer person.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I mean, I understand Aberdeen. You need some beautiful liturgy to counter the dreich.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

Maybe a unique thing to Aberdeen, but my shorthand was to say I go to the pisky church and people knew I meant the SEC.

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Jody Howard @thegospelplow.com · 06/08/2026

So rather than being in conflict, putting “Inclusive” and “Orthodoxy” together for the folks I know who lean on the term might be a way of saying their commitment to the former is founded on the latter.

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The Word in Black and Red Pod @twibar.bsky.social · 06/08/2026

I do like this perspective a lot! Thank you for sharing it. And yeah, I hear Anglican Church of [insert anything other than North America] and feel very fondly toward it.

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