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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Still incongruent. Anyway, thank you kindly for the polite dialogue.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

As if two humans can reproduce something other than another human 😀

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

I studied Buddhism about 20 years ago after getting into the works of Barry Long and read the Tibetan Book of the Dead. My memory is that there is no God in Buddhism, i.e., nothing objective outside of man as a source for morality. Am I correct?

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Understood. Thank you for the polite dialogue.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

70% of pregnancies result in the birth of a child. 100% of abortions result in the birth of a dead child. Banning abortion increases the percentage of children who are not killed by abortion.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

A foetus is a child, and that child is killed by abortion. An abortion would be deemed a failure of the child survived the procedure. medium.com/@tradcatman/...

medium.com

A treatise on why a fetus is a child

Substantial form refers to the essential form of a thing, without which that thing would be fundamentally different or cease to exist…

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

The Catholic Church is already the biggest healthcare provided in the world, managing 26% of healthcare provision and facilities. Also, the first every Hospital was setup by Catholics. You're welcome.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

You are predicating your rebuttal on emotions and health, which is an accidental form but not a substantial form. The substantial form of the foetus and pregnant child is that of human being.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

"You can never undo a rape". That was my point, thank you.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Sorry, yes you made a valid point. I would rebut that the value of the foetus and pregnant child are equal, e.g., sanctity of life ethic. You may be referring to the quality of life ethic.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Incongruent with the fact a foetus is a baby.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Cancer and viruses are not human beings.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Biblical creation took places prior to the creation of man, so of course there were no witnesses to it - there were no people. C'mon mate, I know you're smarter than that.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Certain groups have always dehumanised other groups in order to justify committing unjust acts against that group.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

A DNA test can take place on a foetus.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

I'm inclined to agree, e.g., morals were required for early communities to survive. I'm also inclined to suggest those morals were subjective rather than objective until God gave provided a model for objective morality.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Is Buddhism predicated something objective or subjective?

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

You're confusing the part with the sum of the parts, e.g., a hand is also human material but not a human being. It's a human being from the moment two haploids fuse to form a diploid organism, i.e., conception (Source: Carnegie stage 1a development). medium.com/@tradcatman/...

medium.com

A rebuttal against the claim that an human foetus is not a human being.

THESIS The unborn are not human beings.

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Klemens Jo @klemensjo.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

It's not up for opinion, though. It is a child. Sperm isn't a human being.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

They always conflate the part with the sum of the parts. It's the most basic logical reasoning, yet it's beyond the cognitive abilities of most pro-aborts.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

False. My argument was predicated on the justness of killing a child.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Well, having spent a week or two perusing the content I felt someone needs to lead the way in critical thinking and reason.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

I didn't say that. Unless you base your morals in something objective, then your morality is subjective, i.e., you cannot state that X is right or wrong, as the opposite may be subjectively right or wrong to other people.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Care to name what religions are doing that?

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

1. Did it unrape her? 2. Anyone who needs to kill a child to ease their pain needs to be locked up in a mental institution.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Church and state are already separated. This is a non argument.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

The absence of a belief in God means you cannot say why murder is wrong.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

I've got two thumbs and no vax or boosters. I've had covid twice. The people I know who had the vax had covid more times than I did. Which implies the vax increases the probability of catching covid, rather than vaccinating against covid pr(covid|vax) > pr(¬covid|¬vax) Funny how that worked out.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Abortion is forced birth, as it forces the early emergence of the baby from the womb.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

They were outraged. Why wouldn't they be?

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

What is sadistic about advocating against the killing of unborn children? You have my ear.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Prolife is predicated on saving the lives of unborn children, rather than adult criminals.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

Sure, i'll tell you. Let's suppose 100 babies in place X are aborted every day. Banning abortion means that those 100 babies will be born, instead of being aborted. Some may be aborted illegally, but the aggregate will be born. You're welcome.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

It's a valid causal relation, i.e., the right to abort a child is predicated on being raped: A : raped, B : right to abortion. A -> B Without A taking place, B cannot take place.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 31/12/2024

By your logic, if a woman is meant to be raped then she will be raped, no power in the universe could have prevented it. In which case the rapist should not be punished as he had no say in the matter, it was something outside of his control managed by a higher power.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 30/12/2024

Is it true or false that a problem, any problem, can be solved by killing a child? You have my ear.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 30/12/2024

I was not talking about conception, I was talking about birth.

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Traditional Catholic Man @tradcatman.bsky.social · 30/12/2024

Same logic: "X is mine therefore I can do what I want with X" X could be a slave, a Jew, a murder victim or a child. Your logic, not mine.

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