setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 11mI think it's a valid analogous statement in the context of my earlier comment 000
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 1hbeing charitable I don't think it's meh, I just also don't think it meets the bar of some form of consciousness under wildly different more responsible circumstances it would probably be cool, maybe even awesome. 100
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 1hOh, then that's good, because that's all my original point was. 010
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 1hIn order to answer what test would falsify the null, we have to agree that it is in fact a null hypothesis 110
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 1hnext people are gonna demand I prove how I know this isn't a pipe 100
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 1hNo one mistakes the civilians in GTA V of being capable of thought despite the fact that they react to external stimuli, vocalize their internal states, and can exhibit thinking while navigating traffic, for example going around abandoned cars blocking intersections or running away when shot at. 200
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 1hpulling out Occam's Razor I'm just gonna say that it seems like a bit of a pitfall to not be able to distinguish between a thing and something made to model an approximation of that thing, regardless of what the thing is. 211
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 2hthink about it this way: if you could conclusively state that Russel's teapot is not currently in orbit between earth and mars, you would clear up millenia-old theological debate 211
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 2hwhich could mean something. maybe" how is this in any way convincing the first paragraph sidesteps the entire discussion for a more convenient one, and claude can barely even do that according to the people that made it 111
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 2his this serious? "there's two kinds of consciousness, one with an almost uselessly low bar, and the one that everyone cares about, we can't check for the latter so let's discuss the former" "anyway, according to anthropic, anthropic found their tool could reliably meet that bar 20% of the time.. 210
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 6hbut rather need it to be more than it is, and think *you're* wrong if you don't agree with the hype that it represents a new level of sentience trust me I wish I could just think it was cool, but no one at my job even writes their own emails anymore and clowns like will think *I'm* the deluded one 030
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 6hthe people that are willingly adopting it have done so pretty much at the complete expense of self-sufficiency the way its training data has been acquired has been almost exclusively unethical and the people that are wowed by it aren't content with just calling it cool technology 130
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 6hWell that's the annoying thing, there absolutely is a sense of wonder, but it's basically been trampled in every possible way: the people and companies creating it are awful people the resources it takes to run it are poorly implemented and disastrous the people pushing for its adoption are awful 130
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 6hit's not about them being different, it's that if you presented me this info ten years ago i'd have a different answer, as if precursors to what we have now didn't exist yet back then 120
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 6hinteresting though because they also had things to say if you asked them how they felt or what they thought or liked pretty much right out the gate hell, the movie Her came out in 2013, but those assistants were understood to be fictional 030
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 6hif so that's not a very good point least of all because virtual assistants that operated via conversation first came out longer than ten years ago and I wasn't so confounded by their ability to speak then that I suspected they might be thinking, either 240
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 10hNobody was going around asking "holy shit is this true? are computers really thinking now?" when SEGA declared that the Dreamcast was thinking back in '99 000
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 10hwhat I don't get is that if the ability to speak isn't a necessary component of 'thinking' or 'consciousness' (babies are thinking and conscious) then why is it only now that computers have been programmed to emulate speech that everyone is compelled to doggedly insist they could be conscious 100
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 10hwhere else would feelings come from, they don't get beamed into you from the nearest cell tower 100
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 11h"We don't know for sure if it's true so it might be!" is the grade-school logic. We don't know russel's teapot isn't out there in space either, so it might as well be. 180
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 11h"AIs aren't conscious" is not a strong affirmative claim, it is a null hypothesis. "AIs might be/could be/are conscious" is the 'strong affirmative' (really, extraordinary) claim and requires extraordinary evidence. "We can't say for sure if AI is conscious" is more of an assumption than a claim. 170
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 10/10/2026weird thing to say about something capable of thought 170
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 08/10/2026another annoying case of apples and oranges is minimum wages "nobody makes the federal minimum wage" lots of people make their respective state minimum wages 000
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 08/10/2026other times it's a receipt you get every week and see every week 110
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 08/10/2026maybe it's alluding to 'burrito taxi' discourse 020
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 07/10/2026i got a shirt at the auto show they unveiled the line at from the presenter who was throwing them out to the crowd still have it though they were gone before i got around to considering owning one 020
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 06/10/2026eight foot twenty, made of radiation 020
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 03/10/2026says more about the people around him than him though he's less projecting a field and more surrounded by a network of complicit enablers 010
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 01/10/2026hmmmm ten years ago was Trump's first term between 20 and 30 years ago is the post 9/11 decline, 40 years ago puts us before I was born ....hmmm, I'm gonna glibly say that isn't a very effective counter lol (this is not a serious reply) 000
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 01/10/2026the predictive power of my pessimism is usually pretty poor so I'm hoping to manifest "opposite day energy" where I'm embarassingly wrong about how bad it'll end up going 100
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 01/10/2026the pessimist in me can't wait to find out what the new excuse is going to be after the midterms for why the status quo will continue its rightward slide 100
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 30/09/2026for most people the absolute biggest influencer of this sentiment should be the same two numbers it always is the one on the paycheck the one on the grocery receipt where do phones come in 000
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 30/09/2026if anything it should be the opposite, people are usually inclined to be more candid, more likely to express views they *wouldn't* otherwise when there's a perceived audience people would respond based on their own personal experiences, why would they suddenly be significantly worse at gauging it 100
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 30/09/2026I just don't see the mechanism by which the prevalence of phones would suddenly spike in its ability to skew the metric by which people gauge how well or not well off they are when asked will's argument that it's performative for social media shouldn't reflect in surveys and polls 100
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 30/09/2026this makes it sound like people consider their bluesky clout when responding to what I assume are individual surveys and polls 210
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 30/09/2026if you're commuting to work you're probably buying gas at the same two or three stations every week why would someone base their impression of gas prices on what their phone tells them and not on the same LED sign they drive past twice a day 110
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 30/09/2026"I just got eggs/beef/cereal a week ago and it cost x, this week/month it's up to y, this sucks" if you're grocery shopping based on what's inexpensive and getting things on sale, what does the internet have to do with your perception of this, one's weekly budget is their weekly budget 120
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 30/09/2026maybe I'm in the wrong part of the conversation but I really don't understand why it's unusual to accept that a head of household doing grocery shopping for generally the same routine items every Sunday wouldn't have an accurate concept of trends in the change of those prices 120
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 29/09/2026"if they can't afford groceries they're not eating out" isn't that only true to an extent, i thought I read that as people have less time to cook they end up eating out more and then just suffer the additional squeeze 210
setnoclip01.bsky.social @setnoclip01.bsky.social · 29/09/2026anyone ever actually bother to unpack the implications of assuming it's a sufficiently similar analogy 010
![The reader should make him or herself acquainted with the two definitions of consciousness standard in philosophy of mind: access consciousness and phenomenonal consciousness. Access consciousness is an ability to accurately represent internal states and report on internal processing. Phenomenal consciousness is the more familiar version of consciousness we are all used to—the subjective experience of "redness,” the feeling of pain, the thing that goes away when you fall asleep.
Lacking a test for phenomenal consciousness, we might instead take a pragmatic approach and look for evidence of access consciousness. In Anthropic’s "Emergent Introspective Awareness in Large Language Models,” Anthropic discovered something unexpected: Claude can introspect on its internal states with ~ 10-20% reliability, as well as exercise a degree of control over its internal states. This phenomenon, they wrote, “could be interpreted to suggest a rudimentary form of access consciousness in language models.” [7]](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:p7psozmtf7pmbsbiwjimetsl/bafkreihato3ayvwplulsarxy3upf7ch3o6yuyyjcynsg54dlx6uriq76jq)
