Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 5m2/ beyond my sense perception of them. But in the practical here and now there’s no reason to think an LLM is any more conscious than the iPhone I’m typing on. Making things up does not count as caution. 061
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 5mI see you’ve now moved on to debating the nature of doubt and knowledge. If you make a claim on the basis of poor reasoning and people say no try again you don’t you to claim they’re guilty of epistemic arrogance. I’m a Humean. I don’t think I know much abt the physical objects in front of me … 150
Reposted by Josh MarshallSunflower state of mind @blueintheheartland.bsky.social · 25mlol. Then he tries to act magnanimous by saying they paid double but they paid less than the interest he charges women in rural Kansas for medical procedures. It’s be over $2000 in interest if figured on what he charges and that’s without 6 years in penalties. 🤡 07611
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 24mNone of these words mean anything, Will. There’s nothing remotely stark about rejecting a claim with no evidence. And yes insisting that we entertain an idea for no reason is a claim. It’s totally cool if you want to believe this. But don’t insist others take it seriously. 040
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 31mI feel like I’ve finally unlocked some new level in the Bluesky arcade game where there’s finally a Stancil auto-debate where I feel compelled to say no that’s completely stupid no matter how many ways you say it. 5784
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 33mI can’t believe that this debate somehow gotta stupider after I left it. Taking the demand to prove a negative and turning it upside and calling it an affirmative claim is not a thing. Your vague feeling that LLMs might be conscious is just a vague feeling. 4442
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 40mWow. I tapped out early in this but it’s still going on. This is true. We need to take seriously the idea that my channel changer is conscious. 2270
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 50mImagine being three weeks out and going on twitter with “boom! Years overdue cookie bill paid!” as your message of the day. 1751866
Reposted by Josh MarshallJosh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4hwhen your campaign is going awesomely 711820239
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 3hI refer you back to empty formalism and false equivalence noted above. 120
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 3hI’ve always understood the cogito as being inclusive of consciousness though this may be implicit. I do it and therefore I know I exist. 110
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 3hAgain, big claims require big evidence. The lack of any evidence or even an argument in this case is a significant shortcoming. “You can’t prove a negative” isn’t an argument. In this case I’m comfortable doing what the OP complained about. 220
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 3hsoon they’ll wheel Trump out to the beach waterline and he’ll command the tides to stop rising and falling. 4233350
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4hI kind of suspect the stupider explanation: that they have juvenile reasoning and believe this. Though the goal oriented version is also possible. 1200
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4hAll those predicates are either highly questionable or misunderstandings and the conclusion or contingent conclusion doesn't follow. 2370
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4hOkay, honestly, the strength of your argument just dropped dramatically with this new reasoning. 5692
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4hthey should have just sent the bill to his senate office like everyone else 1260
Reposted by Josh MarshallJosh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4hThis seems to me like a kind of formalism - one side isn't sure, the other side is, ergo the latter has more hubris, unwarranted certainty etc. But the substance here deserves a hearing. The serious suggestion that LLMs might be self-aware/conscious etc is the pretty huge claim that requires some... 6684
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4h4/ it would be more elegant if people are twitter and bluesky had more epistemological doubt. But I think we can cut them some slack, frankly. 3300
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4h3/ there will be a trillion humans in 10,000 yrs living in 3,000 different solar systems, how are you so cavalier dismissing arguments abt taking steps today to protect them?' Consciousness for agglomerations of computer chips is a very big claim. Sure, it's hard to prove a negative and maybe ... 1360
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4h2/ backing in evidence, argument, grounding in the various literatures which have examined the question of consciousness for centuries or millennia. The reasoning here reminds me a bit of the probabilism that is such a key part of longtermist thinking. 'If there's even a 1/10,000 chance that ... 3410
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 4hThis seems to me like a kind of formalism - one side isn't sure, the other side is, ergo the latter has more hubris, unwarranted certainty etc. But the substance here deserves a hearing. The serious suggestion that LLMs might be self-aware/conscious etc is the pretty huge claim that requires some... 6684
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 5hAgree on 1st principles, sorta. But isn't this a case where the burden of evidence is heavily on those arguing for? It also seems relevant that there are many prominent voices aligned w the industry arguing yes with arguments that seem v weak if you have any grounding in theories of consciousness. 3342
Reposted by Josh MarshallJenny Cohn @jennycohn.bsky.social · 5h“‘There are basically two ways to know you have a future,’” Palantir CEO Alex Karp said. ‘One, you have some vocational training. Or two, you’re neurodivergent.’” 3/25/26 share.google/BSpEdevJ0wx9...share.googlePalantir CEO Says Only the Neurodivergent Will Survive the AI TakeoverIt's getting weird, man. 6918670
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 6hwell aware of that. but animals are alive and experience pain. so I’m skeptical whether it ties to the same motivation. 1110
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 7hRamaswamy Campaigned With Pastor Who Says ‘Satan’ Is Using Islam to Launch ‘War’ Against America talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ramaswa...talkingpointsmemo.comRamaswamy Campaigned With Pastor Who Says ‘Satan’ Is Using Islam to Launch ‘War’ Against AmericaVivek Ramaswamy, the Republican nominee for governor of Ohio, campaigned earlier this... 1614147
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 8hfrom what i can tell Tenn has no legal framework for this. But I know historically there have been jurisdictions where if they try a couple times and it doesn't work maybe you don't go free but like it's taken as God making his will clear and that's it. 070
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 8hYes! Even in the more computational parts of neuroscience it seems to be considered something close to a given that if it is possible to make computers self-aware (i'm highly dubious but who knows) that those computers wld need some form of embodiment. 0211
Reposted by Josh MarshallThe Washington Post @washingtonpost.com · 9hExclusive: Sen. Darline Graham, the Republican Senate candidate in South Carolina, has pledged to crack down on China. But her husband, Larry Nordone, has management roles in two companies that rely on Chinese manufacturing, company filings show.washingtonpost.comDarline Graham opposes Chinese manufacturing. Her husband’s job relies on it.The senator and sister of the late Lindsey Graham has said the U.S. must “stop depending on Communist China for things America can make ourselves.” 76669239
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 9hwww.nytimes.com/2026/10/10/u...nytimes.comChrista Pike Discharged From Hospital After Surviving Execution AttemptMs. Pike, 50 and convicted of the 1995 murder of a classmate, survived two doses of the drug pentobarbital late last month. 77813
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 10hyes, silly or sloppy people can make broadly logical, comprehensible arguments but still be silly and sloppy. 130
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 10hi don't think it is better. i'm not sure why thinking they're dumb violent meatheads would seem like that's the optimistic view 0121
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 10hahhh, we just turned to the page where it's all the fault of "liberals", a descriptive category you are apparently congenitally unable to understand. lol 1161
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 10hwhy are you so stupid? say stupid nonsensical things? I'm really curious. take me to your leader. I want to understand. 280
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 10hI don't think they do in the most narrow sense. But the level of aggressiveness & non-announcement makes it seem like they want scared/violent responses that justify lethal force. Mostly I think they're just dumb violent meatheads & figure they'll come out on top so who cares. But you wonder. 2384
Reposted by Josh MarshallAaron Reichlin-Melnick @reichlinmelnick.bsky.social · 10/10/2026The NYPD just released surveillance video of the ICE shooting (which occurred off camera). Two men in civilian clothes run up to a car with guns drawn. One second later, one man begins smashing the butt of his gun into the driver’s side window. The driver appears to panic and hit the gas. 15737981207
Reposted by Josh MarshallSMB @smbdemocracy.bsky.social · 10hThe man had his five year old in the car. Why wouldn’t he try to get away from men running at him with guns drawn? 219348
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 11hlike i get it's an extreme, cutting analogy but when the hostage taker looks at me holding the gun and with my hands tied and says "i really don't want us to die" and I'm like "thanks?" 724619
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 11hI'm sure or assume this is sincere. But it's hard for me to convey how deeply unnerving and unwelcome I find these statements. 2023028
Reposted by Josh MarshallMurshed Zaheed @murshedz.bsky.social · 10/10/2026time to hit the gas ... 014531
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 14hNewsom really didn't do that at all. I'm not sure you're familiar with the idea being referenced or what things from Newsom you're referring to. 050
Reposted by Josh MarshallJosh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 10/10/2026It think the answer is dominance politics, bitch slap politics. The messages resonate. But he’s effectively performing displays of dominance. He made Collins look not shamed or criticized but hapless and stupid. 2454029
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 14hThe exercise is still worthwhile since people don't necessarily know where to find that stuff. But I was a little unclear why people don't realize the Pentagon has a fairly elaborate infrastructure for that kind of stuff. 380
Josh Marshall @joshtpm.bsky.social · 14hTrump Mails Americans Checks Ahead of Midterms, Seeking to Compensate for What His Party Did to Healthcare talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-m...talkingpointsmemo.comTrump Mails Americans Checks Ahead of Midterms, Seeking to Compensate for What His Party Did to HealthcarePresident Donald Trump has in recent weeks unveiled multiple schemes to send... 2412435