Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Well as far as your representations regarding his behavior go, I'm not defending it as much as I'm criticizing the legitimacy of your claim based on the spurious nature of your sources. 010
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026This will be my last comment in this thread. You are correct. You are not a psychopath and unlike almost everyone else here you acted in good faith, even when we disagreed. My insults were not directed towards you. You seem nice. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Weird since I think "why" she says it is at least as important as "what" she says. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026This is probably a good place to end anyway. I think I've done all I need to do here. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I mean, I provided you with a list of quotes. She hates the word, and uses it because of self-hate are two of the more memorable. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I've been called a nazi and given elaborate descriptions of the death people want to see of me here, among other things. The behavior is, literally, psychotic, though also ironic given the reaction to low-level comments from Jennings that started all this. Ableist or not, it applies here. 300
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026To mock someone is to directly criticize or make fun of them. To be dismissive is simply to not take their claims seriously. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026You just repeated the thing that I previously accused you of by ignoring the many other things she said and just pointing to the one thing that you think validates your position. Any fair watching of the video needs to include all the things she said, not just the thing you agree with. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026No, I'm just responding to your glib comment that I "speak for the world", which you obviously meant sarcastically, then had to retreat from since you believe the world to be bigoted just like I am. Sometimes you make this very easy for me. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026No, trans people get to be wrong about trans issues just like anyone else can be. Have you ever heard Caitlyn Jenner or especially Buck Angel talk about trans issues? If so, then please tell me that Buck Angel always gets to be correct and I'm always incorrect if we disagree on trans issues. 300
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Well I certainly would never use the psychopaths responding to this thread as a barometer for morality on any level, so you're correct to detect my dismissiveness. 300
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Well, unfortunately for us you got to this thread late and I'm out of energy after responding to so much, so my credibility here will remain tainted. Too bad since but for my dog whistle use I'm sure my comments carried a lot of weight with you before. 000
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I've been told that a) Bathroom choice laws have harmed trans people; b) slurs are OK if used by trans people; c) I should die in various ways; d) all mainstream media sources are anti-trans; and e) Ken Jennings and Donald Trump are comparable. No trans person in my life believes any of this. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Ya, I don't like the source, but it was the quickest way I could link you to the information. The messages post in the article are accurate, of course, so take any offense or non-offensive that you think is necessary. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I've had the same position the entire time. In fact, I already had this specific argument 12 hours ago: bsky.app/profile/eche... 000
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Yes, I choose not to accept this group of trans people as being representative of the views of most trans people. See my responses to the Laura Jane Grace discussion, I think that covered it well. 300
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Well I'm just as disappointed in all of you, so there is plenty of sadness to go around. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026He was flippant and dismissive, but not mocking. And his flippant dismissiveness was over the issues, not the person he was responding to. Much ado about nothing... except in this thread, of course. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026The trans people I know aren't losing their mind over Ken Jennings comments, I'll tell you that. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I've learned a lot in the last 24 hours on that very thing. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I think a majority would agree with my position. Don't you? If you disagree and think that the majority would say that Jennings comments are transphobic then you should be elated by the progress that's been made on trans issues. 110
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026He played a game on the NYT site, then someone claimed the NYT is transphobic so he shouldn't do that, then he was dismissive of the criticism and made a snarky remark about it. Here is the story: www.foxnews.com/media/jeopar... Only conservative outlets have picked up the story.foxnews.com'Jeopardy!' host Ken Jennings infuriates trans activists with sarcastic joke over NY Times games boycottKen Jennings sarcastically claimed he received "written approval from the trans community" to keep his New York Times games subscription, sparking backlash. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Yes, but the key question is about person's personal experience of the harm, but the objectionable reasonableness of it. Someone saying "I was harmed" isn't relevant to the question "Was it reasonable for you to perceive harm from the conduct in question?" This comes up with Israel a lot lately. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Well, I do have trans-friends. Do you consider the people responding here to be representative of trans people at-large? That is certainly not my experience. 400
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026It seems that I do since the trans people that I know talk about it the same way that Laura does, just without the reclamation part of it. 400
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Ah yes, and that's just what this thread is full of, a bunch of open-minded individuals just asking questions. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026It doesn't because the objective component to a person's subjective feelings is an important part of the evaluation of the wrongfulness of the conduct in question. This happens everyday, so it is, in fact, how things work. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Yes, I absolutely did all that. As for the story, look at the sources that you cited to as picking it up. It's conservative outlets making fun of the over-reaction by "trans activists". Certainly nobody is taking Jennings to task over it. Hell, he hasn't even deleted the posts, and probably won't. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I appreciate the correction, and I'll use your pronouns, though I doubt this will continue much longer. I used neutral language before because I didn't want to assume. 000
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Sure didn't seem like it but I think they blocked me so who knows? But hey, if they want to come back here and talked about having internal self-hate as justification for the reclamation, then I'm all ears. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Yes and something that is anti-trans is, apparently, Ken Jennings playing NYT word puzzles. This is why you're all insufferable. 300
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I'm not wrong about trans people. Trans people are awesome. Not the one's in this chat, mind you, but the other one's. But hey, it's also not too late for you to recognize that Ken Jennings comments were not transphobic. I'm pulling for you. 300
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Except the person I'm responding to isn't focusing on the nuance. They're using this as an example to support reclaiming of the word. I don't think it makes for a good example for the reasons that Laura articulated. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026"I hate that word" "I don't identify with that word" "I don't like it hearing it used for other people" "It's almost mentally taxing to look at my book" "It captures internalized transphobia and self-hate" You just breezed through all that to get to the "certain amount of reclamation" part. 210
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Ah, so you grabbed onto that part while ignoring everything else. Nice filter you've got there. That tracks really well with everything else I've experienced in this thread from the other responders. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Well you could just stop responding since you're not really adding anything to the conversation or even responding to my rebuttals. I'll give you the last word though so you can comment on my emotional state again. Be sure to use the word shrieking to get your point across. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026I never claimed to be a jury, I only claimed that juries are an example of an objective standard being used to evaluate the merits of a situation. Was it really that difficult for you to follow? 000
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026You really picked the absolute worst possible example to try to prove your point. Let's see what Laura herself has to say about it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tASi...youtube.comLaura Jane Grace Hates the Word TrannyYouTube video by Late Night with Seth Meyers 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026The "I'm rubber and you're glue" rebuttal is always a fun way to respond. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026This is unironically the nicest thing anyone said to me in this thread. Appreciate it. Genuinely. 120
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026You're right about that. When I use the word "us" I mean the people that exist outside the echo chamber of responders here. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Yes, according to who again? Your cousin's friend's boyfriend who was an intern on a different show? Well that's clearly about as good as it gets for sourcing. 110
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Well, then you don't have to block me, though I'm just about out of energy to respond, so I don't think I'll go on much longer in any event. To be fair though, I think every person I've endured on here over the last 12 hours is child-like in their arguments, so I feel the same way you do. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026No because the people responding here have also called me a nazi, wished for my death, told me that every media publication is anti-trans, told me that things were better before bathroom laws existed to protect trans people, and said that Jennings and Trump are comparable. That's all insanity. 100
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Of course you double-down on your investment in my emotional state without adding any thing else. Of course. Your gimmick is pretty dumb, especially when anybody can read my comments and the levity attached to them and compare them to the hysterics coming from my detractors. Including you. 200
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026Yes, and we have evidence here, you tool, it's the actual comments said by Jennings. I honestly wish there was a jury to weigh in on it, but the point is that our society routinely decides if something is objectively reasonable or not, and in those instances we don't rely on subjective experiences. 110
Echelaunch @echelaunch.bsky.social · 01/08/2026After reading everything that's been said in here by this weirdo fringe echo chamber, I'm not at all surprised to see that you believe that I live in a different reality than you do. I think that's true, actually, just not in the same way that you do. 100
