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Stop Worrying About Clean Power, Start Electrifying Everything | Ep238: Lord Adair Turner
What will be the long-term impact of the US’s great leap backward on clean energy? How will the emergency of China as an electrotech giant reshape geopolitics? And what will be the defining trends and technologies of 2026? In this end-of-year episode of Cleaning Up, Baroness Bryony Worthington is joined by Lord Adair Turner, Chair of the Energy Transitions Commission, for a wide-ranging, candid, and occasionally fiery conversation about where the energy transition truly stands. Looking back on a decade since the Paris Agreement and ahead to the road beyond 2025, Turner delivers a clear-eyed diagnosis: emissions and politics are heading in the wrong direction, but technologies — including solar PV, batteries, and the wider “electrotech stack” — are advancing faster than almost anyone expected. Together, Bryony and Adair unpack why electrification is emerging as the central lever for decarbonising transport, industry, and heat; how China’s clean-tech machine is reshaping global energy economics; and why abundant, ultra-cheap electricity could fundamentally change prosperity, geopolitics, and climate outcomes. They also grapple with the harder questions: affordability versus ambition, the limits of carbon pricing, the challenge of decarbonising steel, cement, aviation and shipping, and the disruptive impact of US politics on global climate cooperation. They debate whether COPs still matter, why “nearly clean” power may be smarter than chasing absolute purity, and what breakthroughs could surprise us next. Leadership Circle: Cleaning Up is supported by the Leadership Circle, and its founding members: Actis, Alcazar Energy, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information on the Leadership Circle, please visit https://www.cleaningup.live. Discover more: • Energy Transitions Commission: https://www.energy-transitions.org/ • Power Up: How Clean Energy Is Putting Fossil Fuel Demand in Doubt: https://www.energy-transitions.org/publications/power-up-fossil-fuel-demand-in-doubt/ • Lord Turner’s previous appearance on Cleaning Up: https://youtu.be/xxTngGxpeW0 • Why Is It So Hard to Clean Up Global Shipping? | Ep229: Tristan Smith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdUCidkeDto Chapters: 00:00 - Coming Up 00:45 - Introduction 03:16 - How Was 2025 For The Transition? 08:45 - The Surprising Growth of the Electrotech Stack 12:30 - Why Did China Pursue Electrotech 16:30 - Inward Investment 17:17 - Affordability 22:00 - UK Clean Power 2030 26:00 - Efficiency of Electrification 30:17 - China Decarbonization 35:00 - Carbon Price/Tax 40:30 - Impact of the US 46:00 - Why Is The US Becoming a Petrostate? 49:00 - EVs vs Internal Combustion 54:00 - The End of COPs? 58:00 - Climate Risk & Transition Pathways 01:03:00 - Political Challenges 01:07:00 - What Will 2026 Bring?
