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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 11/06/2025

Being criticized by these folks is often an outright endorsement. “Law and order” breaking the law is reaching a middle, I see.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 11/06/2025

Toonen/7 Toonen also noted that in addition to the legal threats people in power in Tasmania routinely made threatening and dehumanizing comments about the gay community there. He sums up that this is discriminatory and harassment towards the people of Tasmania.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 11/06/2025

Weird, it that’s the case where are all the people concerned about the rights of the states? Also, Newsom is resisting segregation, not desegregation.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 10/06/2025

Toonen/6 Toonen’s complaint was Tasmanian law banning “…all forms of sexual contact between consenting adult homosexual men in private.” In addition to being illegal it also empowered the police to investigate him, even if not charged. I’m not finding if this did happen or if just a threat.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 10/06/2025

This is why dehumanization is the first step - if they don’t see us as human, they don’t have any problem with what they do.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 10/06/2025

Moshe Dayan’s quote about Israel being a “mad dog” means this is very likely an intentional posture.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 10/06/2025

Probably because the people in charge of going after the drug traffickers are now abducting children from elementary school. Lack of enforcement of the law does not mean there’s less crime.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 10/06/2025

Taking the name in vain is so old there’s a commandment about it.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 09/06/2025

Toonen/5 Toonen was a member of the Tasmanian Gay Law Reform Group, an organization that appears to no longer exist. Searching for it they appear to be best known for being prohibited in 1988 from having a stall in the “family friendly” Salamanca Market in Hobart.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 09/06/2025

He can’t legally do anything with the WA guard because of Posse Comitatus. It becomes very hard to claim “Law and order” is the goal when they’re actively breaking the law.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 08/06/2025

Sadly this is the horror every dystopian author thinks about.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 08/06/2025

It’s bad journalism to say non-lethal.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 08/06/2025

That’s the formal term. They are very capable of being lethal and using the term “non-lethal” is inaccurate and bad journalism.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 08/06/2025

The term “less lethal” is what they’re often called formally to warn cowboy cops not to use them frivolously.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 08/06/2025

Toonen/4 Toonen is described as the author of the complaint, a citizen of Australia residing in Hobart, Tasmania. Tasmania is the smallest Australian state and one that leans more conservative (the Australian Liberal party). In 1990, it was a comfortable Liberal win.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 07/06/2025

I mean it’s not exactly a priority but it’s part of who he was. Anything beyond a cursory review will turn up a lot of unpleasant facts about historical figures. It’s part of why putting the past on a pedestal is so foolish.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 07/06/2025

Toonen/3 The document starts with a reference to a rule 91 decision. According to this, that’s a request for more information made of the state party (Australia in this case). Toonen submitted the complaint in December 1991, rule 91 in April 1992, decided 1994. hrlibrary.umn.edu/hrcommittee/...

hrlibrary.umn.edu

University of Minnesota Human Rights Library

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 06/06/2025

Toonen/2 There are three articles mentioned as “substantive” in the complaint - 2-1 (access to legal remedies), 17-1 (right to privacy, explicitly including a right to the sexual activity of consenting adults), and 26, (equality under the law generally). 17-1 is the main issue at hand.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 05/06/2025

Toonen/1 juris.ohchr.org/casedetails/... Decision is here. I think the jumble at the top is covenant on civil and political rights (CCPR), communication (C), Session # (50), Decision (D), tracking number (488), year (1992). Toonen submitted the complaint in 1991, it was taken for review in 1992.

juris.ohchr.org

Jurisprudence Database

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 04/06/2025

The next document isn’t that old, all of 1994, but it’s a relevant discussion for Pride - the Toonen decision. This landmark case in the United Nations Human Rights Commission found that sexual orientation was a protected status under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 03/06/2025

34/Fred Jackson closes his dissent with an evaluation of the recently decided Hirabayashi case as precedent, similarly war powers being used for unconstitutional actions. He argues that the mild inconvenience of a curfew is not comparable to basically imprisonment, a major infringement of liberty.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 03/06/2025

Exiling them is the entire point of having a designated location to exile them to. That’s what Israel is to some - a designated place to send exiled Jews.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Poland’s election results leave me concerned.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

My pet conspiracy theory is that antisemitism is 100% pro-Israel because it gives an opportunity and an incentive for the Jews to be forced out.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

I think the challenge is that some things get labeled as “antisemitism” when they are antizionism or just criticisms of Netanyahu’s government or IDF tactics. When the AFDL tries to silence people for challenging some sieg heils it’s easy to get frustrated and confused.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

What they want in broad brush is similar, the extent is usually where they differ and where the wedge issues come in. Israel being safe and Palestine being free are going to be a great example of things we all want but have a lot of differences in how we might accomplish them.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Kim Jong Un? Li’l Kim doesn’t have that much impact. He could be a real regional threat but he’s not starting anything global.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Are the protests really about “hatred for those who are Jewish” or are they about the crimes against humanity like ethnic cleansing and support of despotic governments that have traditionally gotten protests out of American students? The war isn’t even about religion, it’s about land.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Not enough information to say. I wish I could say wait until the facts are in but given this administration’s history with facts I have little hope we’ll get those.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Are you equating protesting against violence with actual violence? That would be a bit of a stretch…

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Standing with Netanyahu’s government is going to draw some fire - they’re doing some things that are… easy to criticize. It’s not a question really of whether you stand with Israel - it’s a question of whether you endorse the horrors taking place at Netanyahu’s command.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Unfortunately the IDF is a useful tool in regional proxy wars. Israel is our proxy in the region, as are the Saudis to an extent. Still very Cold War at times.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

That’s what they’re saying in public. It’s not politically popular to even suggest that maybe things have gone a bit too far.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

I sometimes call it Netanyahu’s government because “Israel” has a broader meaning and it becomes hard to separate the people and the religion and the historical kingdom that is the namesake of the current state. If Trump renames the US “The Kingdom of God” Christians will have similar issues.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

OK? Definitely not OK. Would it happen? Sadly, it would not be beyond the imagination. People are foolish, especially when angry and desperate.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Then say that, rather than “I saw the video.”

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

33/Fred Continuing with his dissent, Jackson addresses the reality of military orders as sensibly unrestrained by strict constitutionality so long as they do not persist past a clearly defined emergency. He argues that they are still unconstitutional and that endorsing that error creates problems.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Sure is politically convenient that the lack of consent is openly ignored, as well as all the other sins of Sodom, and it just focuses on one politically convenient talking point. Church tradition failed on this one, and failed hard. Christe Eleison.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Something to always remember about the Russian people as well.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Ezekiel mentions a bunch of things. There’s a bunch in the Talmud too. Sanhedrin 109b basically calls out abusive legalism.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Murder is still wrong either way. Arguments for self defense here are next to impossible - attacking Jews in America doesn’t have much effect on Zionists.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

“Saw the video” is not something to blindly trust anymore. Too easy to fake things these days. I grant that the conspiracy theory nonsense is nonsense, but “the video” is not the only evidence that would be considered in court. False flag attacks happen. Trust but verify.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

I guess you could blame the British for starting it? 1947, though, is a year worth talking about.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

They won’t hear it. Any criticism of anything even vaguely related to Israel will be interpreted as collectively blaming Jews.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

“Strict but loving.” Hmm. Very generous to the character. Great performance by the actress, but she’s as close to a villain as that movie gets.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Also the lower chance of arbitrary arrest and detention is a big appeal. Not to mention the ideological purity screenings that might keep people from attending.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

Had plenty of opportunity to do so as well. Also, FWIW, Ezekiel 16:49 directly addresses the sins of Sodom. “Sodomy” is not caring for the poor.

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2plus2equals.bsky.social @2plus2equals.bsky.social · 02/06/2025

“Just following orders” is not a defense. When they know those orders are illegal they are choosing to follow them.

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