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Jack - Grumpy Old Man CR: WOT-The Shadow Rising @jackbwuzhere.bsky.social · 02/01/2026

Page 142, sorry, gonna screenshot that one. Examples of the knowingly false claims of fraud. 23/

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Uh-huh.

And so, you know, just off the top of my head, an example is, there was -- he

In your report, you say -- and this is a quote -- "The through line of all of Mr. Trump's

criminal efforts was deceit -- knowingly false claims of fraud."

Can you generally describe some of these knowingly false claims of fraud that were

spread after the 2020 election?

Sure. There is a number of them. And, you know, part of the explanation

is -- is why they're false.

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was on notice in this election that, in Pennsylvania, for example, that he would be ahead in

the vote count for a period of time, and then when the mail-in ballots were counted, his

lead would dissipate.

He chose to represent that phenomenon that he'd been briefed on, that was normal

course of an election, that all sides knew that that's how it was going to be, he chose to

present that as evidence of fraud. And to people who are not maybe as informed as him

or informed as his campaign managers who told him these things, that's the sort of thing

that creates distrust.

There were fraud claims in, you know, Michigan, Georgia, where he was specifically

disabused by people he trusted, by political allies, by the people, when he chose to call

them, who were best situated to know. In Georgia, I'm thinking of the secretary of state.

He reflexively rejected those things and continued to state false things after he'd been told

repeatedly that they weren't true.

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Jack - Grumpy Old Man CR: WOT-The Shadow Rising @jackbwuzhere.bsky.social · 02/01/2026

Page 147, MORE proof that Trump absolutely lied. He didn't believe his own bullshit. He knew it was bullshit. 24/

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The second part was that Mr. Trump knew that his claims were false. And in the

report, you say that Mr. Trump -- and this is a quote -- "knowingly made false claims." So

I'm assuming that talked about the false claims he made after he knew that he had lost the

election.

Can you describe or summarize some of these false claims he made to the American

public after he knew that he had lost the election?

Sure. These would be false claims about dead voters. It would be false

claims about underage voters. It would be false claims about illegal alien voters.

The false claims were generally, as a general matter, about urban centers where he

had lost the vote in a particular State that was otherwise close by a lot. And -- yes. And,

again, these were claims that were rebutted by people around him who knew that they

were false and in many cases told him they were false.

Ms. Lofgren. Can I go to January 6th itself?

The President gave a speech on the rally, and we received information, testimony,

that -- a couple of things. That his supporters were leaving their weapons outside the

magnetometers because they wouldn't -- they couldn't go through; and also that at some

point Mr. Trump said, "Let them come through anyhow, because they're not going to hurt

me."

It was subsequent to that knowledge that some of these supporters were armed that

he called on them to go to the Capitol.

Was that set of facts subject to your investigation and review?

The Witness. I recall what you're talking about. I remember we interviewed

different people who were near -- we interviewed people who were near or around

President Trump in that period of time before the Ellipse speech.

And on that point, there were different recollections and different points of view.

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Jack - Grumpy Old Man CR: WOT-The Shadow Rising @jackbwuzhere.bsky.social · 02/01/2026

They talk more about how the case would have proceeded. Which is why I think it was a REALLY bad idea for Republicans to hold this hearing. They mention the lies about fraud in Pennsylvania. I recently talked to an Elections attorney in PA about the ongoing case for Harris. 25/

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